Mailman 3 January 2004 - Edu-sig

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by Ers-owner Jan. 19, 2004

Jan. 19, 2004

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re: New Findings Shake Up Open-Source Debate
by Arthur Jan. 18, 2004

Jan. 18, 2004

>I know this, because (I am proud to say) he contacted me >regarding PyGeo. Which is why/how I came across the article. Though, presumably, PyGeo was not included in the sample on which he concluded on the convergence of open source software to a bug free state :) My favorite is that the little stab I took at custom error reporting in the code is itself sorely broken. So instead of getting the kind of error reporting that was intended, you get a standard Python error message complaining, in essence, that the error reporting code is broken. And I always seem to have something more fun to do than fix it. Though I am sure it would not take much. I am getting more serious about a new release, and will be forced to deal with it, though. Art

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Jan. 18, 2004

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by Alyson Dunn Jan. 18, 2004

Jan. 18, 2004

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New Findings Shake Up Open-Source Debate
by Arthur Jan. 17, 2004

Jan. 17, 2004

""" New Findings Shake Up Open-Source Debate By Mike Martin NewsFactor Network September 18, 2003 1:26PM Our model "shows that closed-source projects are always slower to converge to a bug-free state than bazaar open-source projects," say theoretical physicists Damien Challet and Yann Le Du. """ http://sci.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=22319 Which is, I think, relevant to my sense of the growing significance of Python to the scientific community. The related academic community. Own of the researchers on the project is a research fellow in theoretical physics, at Oxford. And a Python user - though the article doesn't mention Python directly. I know this, because (I am proud to say) he contacted me regarding PyGeo. Which is why/how I came across the article. Art

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by Madeleine Hammer Jan. 16, 2004

Jan. 16, 2004

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by Connell Jan. 16, 2004

Jan. 16, 2004

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Learning Python for the absolute beginner
by Kent Johnson Jan. 15, 2004

Jan. 15, 2004

I recently received a copy of Michael Dawson's Python Programming for the absolute beginner, and the second edition of Learning Python by Lutz and Ascher. I am evaluating both of them for use in an adult education class for absolute beginners, and I thought I would post my opinions, both for your amusement and so you can tell me how I am wrong :-). I like Learning Python a lot but for all the wrong reasons. It appeals to the geek in me. It explains with exhaustive detail all the ins and outs and traps and wrinkles to all the basics of Python. For example, the book spends 25 pages (!) explaining different ways to run Python programs (IDLE, command line, double-clicking...) This book tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I learned Python from the first edition of the book and I remember it being a bit overwhelming. I had many years of programming experience and several languages under my belt at the time. It's hard to imagine someone who is not familiar with some kind of programming - or at least a fairly sophisticated computer user - enjoying this book. On the other hand Dawson's book is deceptively simple. At first I was constantly editorializing about what he was leaving out, how I would have written that bit of code, etc. The programming examples are all games. The first few programs are very basic. They are not much as entertainment but they demonstrate print and quoted strings and variables. He presents material in very small bites, but there is plenty of meat and he includes enough detail to keep going and avoid the major pitfalls. Each new idea is introduced in the context of a working program. The programs become increasingly complex, ranging from a simple guess-the-number game to tic-tac-toe to an arcade game. Along the way there are snippets of good programming practice interjected, like how to write good variable names and why globals are best avoided. Like the coding itself, these tips are simple but should help a beginner get off on the right foot when writing his own programs. So, for another programmer who wants to learn Python, I would recommend Learning Python. But for a rank beginner I think Python Programming for the absolute beginner is a better choice. Best regards, Kent -- Kent S Johnson http://www.kentsjohnson.com

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