Mailman 3 November 2003 - Mailman-Developers

Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel?
by Martin＠Cleaver.org 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Hi Barry, It seems this is the key - you need to open a cpanel account and cpanel needs to treat the Mailman development team as a "licensed cPanel customer". This will enable you to file support requests and see the code that cpanel uses to mould mailman to fit. I appreciate the need to register at the cpanel site. It keeps the signal to noise ratio higher - and approval was quite rapid for me. Note that I cannot request these scripts as I am an end user not a cpanel registeree. Even if I could, the scripts would not mean much to me. I just want my archives to work!!! Best regards and thanks to all, Martin. --- "J. Nick Koston" <nick(a)cpanel.net> wrote: > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & > CPanel? > From: "J. Nick Koston" <nick(a)cpanel.net> > To: Martin(a)Cleaver.org > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:54:57 -0500 > > You can get a copy of any patches we have applied by supporting > a ticket > at http://support.cpanel.net > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 22:06, Martin(a)Cleaver.org wrote: > > Nick, > > Has Cpanel documented the changes they have made to > Mailman? If not, can > > Cpanel supply the Mailman dev team with the scripts they use > to mould it to > > fit? > > Cheers, > > Martin. > > -- > > Martin(a)Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 > > Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to > Rotman > > > > > > > > =-----Original Message----- > > =From: Bob Puff@NLE [mailto:bob@nleaudio.com] > > =Sent: Friday, 14 November 2003 8:20 PM > > =To: Martin(a)Cleaver.org; 'Barry Warsaw' > > =Cc: 'J. Nick Koston'; mailman-developers(a)python.org; > serafin(a)eryxma.com > > =Subject: RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] > Mailman & CPanel? > > = > > = > > =The problem with cpanel is that it messes with the program > configs in order > > =to > > =mould things into its proprietary setup. Once that way, its > hard to mess > > =with > > =things, because they are not as they would normally be set > up in a standard > > =install. So in this example, the Mailman install is NOT the > same as you > > =would > > =find on a webhost without cpanel. > > = > > =Its ok for people who just want to set up a server and let > their users > > =modify > > =basic stuff, but its not for those who want to install > custom software, or > > =tweak stuff. I tried it on a box a while ago, and promptly > reformatted > > =after > > =trying to figure out where they moved stuff, etc... > > = > > =Bob > > = > > = > > =---------- Original Message ----------- > > =From: <Martin(a)Cleaver.org> > > =To: "'Barry Warsaw'" <barry(a)python.org> > > =Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:55:32 -0500 > > =Subject: RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] > Mailman & CPanel? > > = > > => Hi Barry > > => > > => Ok, many thanks. Please see below for the full message. > You'll note > > => that I'd lost all the text from the message. > > => > > => I'll send you the password for the list in a separate > message. Feel > > => free to look or change the settings, and to create a new > list for > > => testing. All my lists have this problem so I am sure it is > nothing > > => that I have done wrong. > > => > > => I'm using Outlook XP 2002 SP-2, but my users (including > Sean who > > => sent that last message) may be using something different. > > => > > => Thanks and regards, > > => Martin. > > => > > => > > => On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 13:23, Martin(a)Cleaver.org wrote: > > => > > => > Nick / Barry > > => > > => > Can you please at least acknowledge whether this is a > known problem? > > => > > => > Many Thanks, > > => > > => > Martin. > > => > > => > =My main complaint is that the archives don't work with > HTML postings > > => > > => > =rendering the mailing list practically useless. = > > => > > => > =Here's a typical mailing: > <http://cp1.myhostdns.org/pipermail/social> > > => http://cp1.myhostdns.org/pipermail/social-announce- > > => ft2004_mbssrc.com/2003-No vember/date.html > > => > > => > = > > => > > => > =Here's my postings to the cpanel site: > > => > > => > = * > <http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15928> > > => http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15928 > > => > > => > = > > => > > => > =And I am not alone: > > => > > => > = * > <http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13383> > > => http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13383 > > => > > => I'm sorry I can't get into the cpanel forums. > > => > > => But I did look at that Pipermail message (you need to > follow the > > => link to the one page that's in that date index). If I > follow the > > => link to the GIF image, it shows up just fine. > > => > > => Please note that the rendering of messages such as > > => multipart/alternative are depending on list settings that > I can't > > => see, such as which content types to pass or scrub. I also > haven't > > => seen the original message so I don't know how what was > posted > > => matches against the filter_mime_types and pass_mime_types > settings > > => in the Content Filter section. There are also some > site-wide > > => settings which describe how to archive things like HTML > messages, > > => although I don't think that's what's happening here (it > looks more > > => like some unintended content-types are getting scrubbed > out). > > => > > => I can't see any bugs, but your list may not be configured > the way > > => you want it for the types of messages being posted to it. > > => > > => -Barry > > => > > => -- > > => > > => Martin(a)Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 > > => Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant > to Rotman > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => -----Original Message----- > > => From: Sean Xi Yu WEN [mailto:x.wen@student.mbs.edu] > > => Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:22 AM > > => To: Social-announce-ft2004(a)mbssrc.com > > => Cc: Martin(a)Cleaver.org; Quan Zhang > > => Subject: [Social-announce-ft2004] East Meets West Lunch > > => > > => > > => > > => Welcome to the launch of the East Meets West Lunch Club!! > Our launch > > => involves a delightful eastern lunch in the city this > coming Monday, > > => 10 November. Our aim is to meet monthly for lunch > alternating > > => between eastern and western themed restaurants. > > => > > => Please join us to explore the city and bridge the cultural > gap. > > => > > => > > => > > => Monday's menu is set at $13 per person; > > => > > => including Chicken with Special Sauce, Sweet and Sour Pork > and Beef with > > => Vegetables, all served with vegetable fried rice. > > => > > => > > => > > => Save December 5 for our next meeting; location to be > announced. > > => > > => > > => > > => Time: 1:30 p.m. > > => > > => Date: 10 November 2003 > > => > > => Place: Num Fong Chinese Restaurant > > => > > => 271 Swanston Street, CBD > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => - Quan (Calvin) Zhang, Xi Yu (Sean) Wen, > > => > > => Mindy Frink and Lisa Stevenson (founding members) > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => RSVP to x.xx <mailto:m.frink@student.mbs.edu> > @student.mbs.edu if > > => you plan to join. > > => > > => See you there! > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => > > => Sean Xi Yu WEN > > => > > => MBA - Class of 2004 > > => > > => Melbourne Business School > > =------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > > > > ===== -- Martin(a)Cleaver.org (please don't reply to @yahoo) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Forbidden....Help needed
by Vikas Gupta 24 Nov '03

24 Nov '03

Hi, I have just installed mailman 2.1.3 and python 2.3.2 and also configured the settings. Now when i start the apache server and try to view the mailman list page on the browser, I get the following error : Forbidden: Ypou don't have permissions to access /mailman/admin/test. Any idea what is it...what kind of security settings are required...please advice Vikas

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MailMan
by chris businsky 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

I am in the process of adding one of your mailman mailing lists to my site and so far it works great, but I was wondering if there was a way I could just add a box for persons to enter their email address in to subscribe? If so can you point me to the correct document for doing so. Thanks. Chris w: 410-306-8525 f: 410-306-8422

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Re: [Mailman-Announce] A book on Mailman? Opinions, please.
by Kurt Seifried 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

You may want to consider some basic performance tuning for sending large amounts of email and limited anti-spam to prevent lists being overwhelmed by crap (moderated or not). I would make it mailman specific, if it isn't you may as well call it "mailing lists". Kurt Seifried, kurt(a)seifried.org A15B BEE5 B391 B9AD B0EF AEB0 AD63 0B4E AD56 E574 http://seifried.org/security/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Streicher" <martin.streicher(a)apress.com> To: <mailman-announce(a)python.org> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [Mailman-Announce] A book on Mailman? Opinions, please. > Dear Mailman Users: > > My name is Martin Streicher, and I am the Editor for Open Source books > at Apress (http://www.apress.com). I am considering publishing a book > on Mailman and would like to hear your opinions. > > Briefly, the book would be very focused on Mailman, would be about > 150-200 pages, and would sell for less than $20. The book would be very > hands-on, something you would keep in your lap and work through as you > installed and configured Mailman with the MTA and web browser of your > choice. Then the book would switch to a problem-solution section, > useful for when you are troubleshooting or adding features to your > configuration, or trying to help users manage their Mailman accounts. > > My questions: > > 1/ Is such a book needed, and what is it's potential? > > 2/ If it is needed, what information should it include? What problems > come up time and again? > > 3/ Should it only be about Mailman, or should it include ezmlm, > Mailman, and Majordomo? > > 4/ Finally, what other topics in system administration might fit this > format -- short, project-oriented, solutions -- well? > > Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to your replies. > Please send replies to martin(a)apress.com. I will post a summary of all > replies so as to share the info, but not clutter the list in the > interim. > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-announce mailing list > Mailman-announce(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-announce > Member address: listuser(a)seifried.org > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-announce/listuser%40seifried… >

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Re: [Mailman-Announce] Calling all Mailman hosting sites
by Grmajoyce＠aol.com 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

What is mailman hosting?

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Trouble upgrading from ancient version
by mjinks＠uchicago.edu 21 Nov '03

21 Nov '03

Hi, all. I may just need to RTFM, but a quick search didn't turn anything up. Pointers are welcome. We have a Mailman 1.0rc2 installation running on Solaris 7, and a Solaris 9 machine that wants to take over the job. Python version is 2.3.2, fresh local compile with no special options at build time. I've copied the lists and archives from the current system, and built Mailman 2.1.3 on the target box. During 'make install', when we try to update the lists, the first one appears to run through okay, though with some strange verbage: Upgrading from version 0xffffffff to 0x20103f0 getting rid of old source files Updating mailing list: 02mdiv Updating the held requests database. - updating old private mbox file looks like you have a really recent CVS installation... you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me - updating old public mbox file Fixing language templates: 02mdiv In fact I don't have a recent CVS version, nor am I all that brave, but moving right along... The next list it tries to update causes grief. Here's the transcript with traceback: Updating mailing list: 1-readamericanren Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/update", line 570, in ? errors = main() File "bin/update", line 447, in main errors = errors + dolist(listname) File "bin/update", line 187, in dolist mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/opt/pkgs/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File "/opt/pkgs/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/MailList.py", line 616, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/opt/pkgs/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/MailList.py", line 639, in CheckVersion Update(self, stored_state) File "/opt/pkgs/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/versions.py", line 53, in Update NewRequestsDatabase(l) File "/opt/pkgs/mailman-2.1.3/Mailman/versions.py", line 490, in NewRequestsDatabase l.HoldSubscription(addr, password, digest) TypeError: HoldSubscription() takes exactly 6 arguments (4 given) *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `update' Well, I'm clueless. Anybody got any tips? Known issue? PEBCAK? Thanks... -mrj -- Michael Jinks, ENSA, NSIT, University of Chicago "I have seen the future, and it makes no sense."

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Subscription Audits?
by Mickey Chandler 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

I've done a couple of searches and noticed that there has been some talk of improving user stats. The wishlist mentions "Keep user-centric stats, such as the date the user was subscribed, the date of their last change to their account, the date they last sent a message through the list. Perhaps also log each message they send through the list." Would it be possible to extend this to a full blown subscription audit trail which would also keep track of how the subscriber subscribed and unsubscribed, what method they used to confirm (email or web), and what IPs those requests came from? With the new anti-spam laws coming into play in California and the EU I'm starting to wonder if the lack of this information will have to force me away from Mailman for an announcements list that my company runs so that I can comply with the various laws.

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help to a newbie
by onur simsek 20 Nov '03

20 Nov '03

hi everybody, i m working on a school project, "automation of department processes", we are supposed to use mailman and automatically create a mailing list with an interface created by us. simply a text document will be submitted and using the mail adresses, we must create the mailing list. project will be done with java, i checked http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/site.html but i m not sure the information is enough for me, can anybody help me about this subject thanks onur simsek "Fear gives me wings..." Max Payne _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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No list of lists
by Bob Puff＠NLE 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

On another note, I noticed that after upgrading one of my servers that was running 2.0.x, I no longer see the list of lists when accessing the /mailman/admin or /mailman/listinfo URLs. Things still seem to work if I enter the appropriate list name in though. Could this from the error log be the culprit: > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccal > l/config.pck.last > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/rccall/config.pck.last > ' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccme > n/config.pck > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/rccmen/config.pck' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccme > n/config.pck.last > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/rccmen/config.pck.last > ' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccme > n/config.pck > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/rccmen/config.pck' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccme > n/config.pck.last > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/rccmen/config.pck.last > ' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccme > n/config.pck > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/rccmen/config.pck' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/rccme > n/config.pck.last > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/thepr > ophets-update/config.pck > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/theprophets-update/con > fig.pck' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/thepr > ophets-update/config.pck.last > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/theprophets-update/con > fig.pck.last' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/thepr > ophets-update/config.pck > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/theprophets-update/con > fig.pck' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/thepr > ophets-update/config.pck.last > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/theprophets-update/con > fig.pck.last' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/thepr > ophets-update/config.pck > [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/theprophets-update/con > fig.pck' > Nov 14 01:08:33 2003 (14822) couldn't load config file /home/mailman/lists/thepr > ophets-update/config.pck.last There was a config.db and config.db.last in each of those before, not a pck. Is there any way to fix the "list of lists"? Bob

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What might this be?
by Bob Puff＠NLE 19 Nov '03

19 Nov '03

Just saw this tonight, after installing a CVS 2.2a0 last Thursday: > Nov 17 17:54:09 2003 admin(16548): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > admin(16548): [----- Mailman Version: 2.2a0 -----] > admin(16548): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(16548): Traceback (most recent call last): > admin(16548): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 86, in run_main > admin(16548): sys.stdout.write(tempstdout.getvalue()) > admin(16548): IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe > admin(16548): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(16548): sys.version = 2.2.3 (#1, Nov 14 2003, 02:10:10) > [GCC 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)] > admin(16548): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > admin(16548): sys.prefix = /usr/local > admin(16548): sys.exec_prefix = /usr/local > admin(16548): sys.path = /usr/local > admin(16548): sys.platform = linux2 > admin(16548): [----- Environment Variables -----] > admin(16548): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg > , application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, a > pplication/x-shockwave-flash, */* > admin(16548): CONTENT_TYPE: multipart/form-data; boundary=-------------------- > -------7d33bd1b370a88 > admin(16548): HTTP_REFERER: http://bretwade.com/mailman/admin/timesandseasons/ > members/add > admin(16548): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.12 (NetRevol > ution/Linux-Mandrake) mod_ssl/2.6.4 OpenSSL/0.9.5a FrontPage/4.0.4.3 PHP/3.0.17 > mod_perl/1.22 > admin(16548): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman > admin(16548): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin > admin(16548): SERVER_ADMIN: root@localhost > admin(16548): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin > admin(16548): SERVER_SIGNATURE: > admin(16548): REQUEST_METHOD: POST > admin(16548): HTTP_HOST: bretwade.com > admin(16548): PATH_INFO: /timesandseasons/members/add > admin(16548): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 > admin(16548): QUERY_STRING: > admin(16548): HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: no-cache > admin(16548): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/timesandseasons/members/add > admin(16548): CONTENT_LENGTH: 914 > admin(16548): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5 > .1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) > admin(16548): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive > admin(16548): HTTP_COOKIE: timesandseasons+admin=280200000069ed50b93f732800000 > 03430646263346563376466326430306330353363303465356464313664323166353030656431383 > 7 > admin(16548): SERVER_NAME: bretwade.com > admin(16548): REMOTE_ADDR: 68.159.132.18 > admin(16548): REMOTE_PORT: 3872 > admin(16548): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us > admin(16548): PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/bretwade/http/timesandseasons/members/add > > admin(16548): SERVER_PORT: 80 > admin(16548): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > admin(16548): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate > admin(16548): SERVER_ADDR: 208.34.97.24 > admin(16548): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/bretwade/http Bob

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