Mailman 3 November 2003 - Mailman-Developers

Help!
by Ricardo Manuel Carrola Sim�es 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

I'm developing a mailing list for academic purposes but i've a small problem! I would like to configure the return-path on the emails, to be diferent from the FROM field. Im using java(Sockets) and sendmail. Could you please help me!? -- Ricardo M.Carrola Simões www.carrola.com

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Re: [Mailman-Announce] A book on Mailman? Opinions, please.
by Deutscherverein＠aol.com 13 Nov '03

13 Nov '03

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Mailman / zmailer integration
by Jeff Warnica 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

sourceforge patch id: 840432 I may have posted it to the zmailer lsit before, but no harm in reminding people of my all around brilliance. A patch for ZMailers alias.cf file that allows for Mailman integration into this alternative, high performance, MTA in the same style as all the other MTA integration. The hack itself is more or less based on the zmailers built in list capabalities, so if its insecure, its someone elses fault :)

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RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel?
by Barry Warsaw 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 13:23, Martin(a)Cleaver.org wrote: > Nick / Barry > Can you please at least acknowledge whether this is a known problem? > Many Thanks, > Martin. > =My main complaint is that the archives don't work with HTML postings > =rendering the mailing list practically useless. > = > =Here's a typical mailing: http://cp1.myhostdns.org/pipermail/social- > =announce-ft2004_mbssrc.com/2003-November/date.html > = > =Here's my postings to the cpanel site: > = * http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15928 > = > =And I am not alone: > = * http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13383 I'm sorry I can't get into the cpanel forums. But I did look at that Pipermail message (you need to follow the link to the one page that's in that date index). If I follow the link to the GIF image, it shows up just fine. Please note that the rendering of messages such as multipart/alternative are depending on list settings that I can't see, such as which content types to pass or scrub. I also haven't seen the original message so I don't know how what was posted matches against the filter_mime_types and pass_mime_types settings in the Content Filter section. There are also some site-wide settings which describe how to archive things like HTML messages, although I don't think that's what's happening here (it looks more like some unintended content-types are getting scrubbed out). I can't see any bugs, but your list may not be configured the way you want it for the types of messages being posted to it. -Barry

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RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel?
by Martin＠Cleaver.org 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

Nick / Barry Can you please at least acknowledge whether this is a known problem? Many Thanks, Martin. -- Martin(a)Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to Rotman =-----Original Message----- =From: Martin(a)Cleaver.org [mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org] =Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 8:40 AM =To: 'J. Nick Koston'; 'Barry Warsaw' =Cc: 'mailman-developers(a)python.org'; 'serafin(a)eryxma.com' =Subject: RE: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? = =Actually, that's not my main complaint. = =My main complaint is that the archives don't work with HTML postings =rendering the mailing list practically useless. = =Here's a typical mailing: http://cp1.myhostdns.org/pipermail/social- =announce-ft2004_mbssrc.com/2003-November/date.html = =Here's my postings to the cpanel site: = * http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15928 = =And I am not alone: = * http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13383 = =Can you please advise? = =Thanks, = Martin. = =-- =Martin(a)Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 =Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to Rotman = = = = ==-----Original Message----- ==From: J. Nick Koston [mailto:nick@cpanel.net] ==Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:51 AM ==To: Barry Warsaw ==Cc: Martin(a)Cleaver.org; mailman-developers(a)python.org ==Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & CPanel? == == ==The only problem that I've seen so far that I haven't track ==down to user error is mailman telling someone that their post ==has been rejected even though they are subscribed to the list ==and allowed to post. I still haven't been able to track down ==this one yet, or verify it as legit. As soon as I do I will ==let you know. == ==Thanks ==/Nick == ==On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 23:38, Barry Warsaw wrote: ==> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:05, Martin(a)Cleaver.org wrote: ==> ==> > I am particularly concerned about ==> > http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15928 but from ==> > the mailman-users(a)python.org list there are definitely a ==whole host ==> > of issues that the mailman-developers would address if we had the ==> > correct communication in place. ==> ==> I had some contact from the CPanel folks a while back, and I've just ==> added a FAQwizard entry with the contact information they provided: ==> ==> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#6.11 ==> ==> Sounds like you've already contacted them at their forums. I can't ==> read that thread because it requires a login and I don't ==have the time ==> or desire to register with their site. ==> ==> As always I'm willing to work with the CPanel folks if they can ==> identify bugs in Mailman, but the initiative has to come from there ==> side. Without that, I'd have no idea where to even start. ==> ==> -Barry ==> ==> ==> ==> ==

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Uncaught bounce notification ..
by Martin Maechler 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

We have upgraded to mailman 2.1.3 quite a while ago. I'm managing several dozen mailing lists one of which is very active (2100 subscribers; 45% daily digest, about 70 messages a day) and as you can imagine with so many subscribers (from all over the world) address bounces are not rare. My problem is that I get about 50 "Uncaught bounce notification"s per day, only few of which are spam/virus related. Is anyone working on improving the `` but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it '' part? I do see many (like the following) very it seems very easy to do both (recognize bounce format and extract member address; in the attached example, gustavo(a)lscp.pqi.ep.usp.br is clearly subscribed to the mailing list "r-help"). Regards, Martin Maechler <maechler(a)stat.math.ethz.ch> http://stat.ethz.ch/~maechler/ Seminar fuer Statistik, ETH-Zentrum LEO C16 Leonhardstr. 27 ETH (Federal Inst. Technology) 8092 Zurich SWITZERLAND phone: x-41-1-632-3408 fax: ...-1228 <><

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] More on Mysql MemberAdaptor?
by Kyrian 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:31:51 +0800 "Yuan, Cain" <cain.yuan(a)intel.com> wrote: > Hi Kev, > I had a look at the patch and have some questions here: why you > establish a connection to MySQL and then close it in each > function? AFAIK this will put much presure on MySQL if there > are some people to subscribe/unscribe from the list. Why not > just establish a ststic link to MySQL and then use it every time > you need to access the DB? > Seemed like a good idea at the time ;*) But seriously, doing it that way means I don't really have to worry about connection timeouts, etc. Maybe it can be rewritten later to work differently (like when I learn to write better python ;*), but for the most part, it will work now. I have cut down the number of connect() calls a little already though, but not as far as perhaps I could go. I've updated the whole thing a lot since both of those emails last night. The remaining problems, though, are that I still haven't cracked {get,set}DeliveryStatus(for the reasons previously detailed), and{get,set}BounceInfo, which is another problem. In the MySQL database I end up with the following string: <bounce info for member bounceybouncey(a)orenet.co.uk current score: 1.0 last bounce date: (2003, 11, 4) email notices left: 3 last notice date: (1970, 1, 2) confirmation cookie: a9e8f042d93d3777da981f353f2e00ade42f6f I'm putting the "info" parameter from setBounceInfo directly into the database, which I think is an array itself, not a single value, and the above doesn't look like Python's just traversing an array, and dumping it into the database(the LHS names don't tie up with what I think are the keys for the subelements of "info"), so it looks like I'll have to take a "best guess" at how to implement this. If anyone has any useful suggestions, I'd appreciate them. K. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-developers-bounces+cain.yuan=intel.com(a)python.org > [mailto:mailman-developers-bounces+cain.yuan=intel.com@python.org]On > Behalf Of Kyrian (List) Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:04 AM > To: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Developers] More on Mysql MemberAdaptor? > > > Further to my previous message, I've now got it reading config from > mm_cfg.py, verifying the connectivity to the mysql database on the > __init__ call, rather than throwing up(numerous) errors later on, > updated the README to reflect relevant changes, and just generally > cleaned things up a bit. That's RCS revision 1.13. > > The only major problem I have is the return types for > {get,set}DeliveryStatus. I can't work out how I'm suppose to return a > tuple of values, and what they should be. > > If someone could assist I'd be grateful :-) > > K. > > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:27:45 +0000 > From: Kyrian (List) <kyrian-list(a)ore.org> > To: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: Mysql MemberAdaptor? > > > Hi All, > > I'm presuming this is the appropriate list to post this to... > > If anyone cares, I've written a Mysql MemberAdaptor based on the > OldStyleMemberships.py module, which seems to work ok. I've not done > much large scale testing as yet, though. > > I've put it up at http://kyrian.ore.org/MailmanMysql/ > > Although I could use some pointers on the following: > > - How to incorporate exception handling in python to trap DB errors, > and stop Mailman choking on them. > > - How to incorporate some better configuration (you currently would > have to edit the module file directly to specify the database > parameters) > > - How to properly incorporate it into mailman (if nobody minds that > ;), as it currently seems to require modifying MemberAdaptor.py > directly to activate it. > > - Whether I've actually done it even half way right? > > Either way, if anyone has anything to say about it, please go easy, I > kinda needed this thing, and delved into Python for the first time to > do so. > > Oh, and I know the MySQL data structure I'm using is pretty atrocious, > as it was a best-guess, though I can always clean it up later... > > I do hope I've not just spent several days reinventing the wheel here, > though... ;*) > > Yours, > > Kev. > > -- > Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & > Ted. > Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ > ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via > http://www.orenet.co.uk/-- > Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & > Ted. > Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ > ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. E: kyrian@ore.org WWW: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ "A superficial episode, as life continues to unfold" -- Bad Religion -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & Ted. Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/

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Mysql MemberAdaptor, v1.47. Bounce handling fixed?
by Kyrian 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

All, Right. The bounce info lastnotice and date are tuple variables of (year, month, day). I've now got the MySQL adaptor returning those after a little bit of hackery, which seems to correctly trigger the rest of the bounce code in Bouncer.py, as expected. So, I think it's all working now. I won't be able to tell for certain until tomorrow, unless I change the system clock on my workstation (obviously I'm not going to do that, because it'll naff everything else up), because of these things: Nov 10 11:06:48 2003 (2101) test: XXXX(a)YYY.co.ZZZ already scored a bounce for today But the mere fact that they are coming up, I think is enough to say I've got it right. Appropriate version has duly been uploaded to: http://kyrian.ore.org/MailmanMysql/ Enjoy. K. -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. E: kyrian@ore.org WWW: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ "Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own." R. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land, 1961.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mysql MemberAdaptor, v1.38
by Kyrian 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

All, Changes: * AFAIK (having looked around a bit), the __del__() method should achieve this disconnect, etc. at the right time under python, and I've implemented one, which closes the relevant DB connections, but I don't know if it's ever called by the rest of Mailman... grepping the source doesn't seem to indicate that it is... * Added in some verbosity options to the module, not much as yet, but they're a start. * Moved stuff around to using syslog() rather than print() which seems to be the "Mailman way". * Documentation updates. At this point, notwithstanding the fact that the bounce and delivery status stuff isn't working (which I will need help to sort out, and it doesn't seem to be forthcoming), I think this thing is now "finished". K. PS. I'll shortly be heavily testing v1.38, but it's as yet only been slightly tested. On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 04:29:20 +0800 "Yuan, Cain" <cain.yuan(a)intel.com> wrote: > Hi Kev, > It's very cool to do a ping() before using those connections. > One more question here: where are you planning to add the code > for close those connections when mailman is ready to quit > (sometimes we need to shutdown mailman manually and of cause we > did not want to leave those connection in the system)? Python > has a __init() but seems no __exit functions( correct me if I > am wrong). > > Regards, > > Cain > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-developers-bounces+cain.yuan=intel.com(a)python.org > [mailto:mailman-developers-bounces+cain.yuan=intel.com@python.org]On > Behalf Of Kyrian (List) Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:40 AM > To: mailman-developers(a)python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Mysql MemberAdaptor, v1.27 > > > > > Hi Kev, > > I had a look at the patch and have some questions here: why you > > establish a connection to MySQL and then close it in each > > function? AFAIK this will put much presure on MySQL if there > > are some people to subscribe/unscribe from the list. Why not > > just establish a ststic link to MySQL and then use it every time > > you need to access the DB? > > > > Cain > > In response to this, and the atrocious performance that I just > observed sending to a 60,000 or so member list, I've implemented a > connection sharing system in v1.27. > > I've removed all the explicit connect/cursor calls, and now they're > implemented by a connect on __init() and subsequently by a single > function; prodServerConnection() which does a ping() against the > server(which the MySQL docs say should do an automatic reconnect if > possible), checks for errors, if the ping() fails, tries a full > disconnect and reconnect, trapping any errors that occur. > > If that fails, it drops out. > > This hasn't been thoroughly tested yet, but it should work I think. > > I still need a little help with the bounce_info and delivery_status > flags, though, as they don't seem to be working, in spite of what > Mailman is logging(*), the database isn't being updated. > > K. > > *) Lots of these, but the database isn't being updated properly... > > Nov 07 17:25:14 2003 (6195) XYZ(a)MYDOMAIN.co.uk: test current bounce > score: 1.0 > > -- > Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & > Ted. > Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ > ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers -- Kev Green, aka Kyrian. "Be excellent to each other" -- Bill & Ted. Email: kyrian@ore.org Web: http://kyrian.ore.org/ ISP/Perl/PHP/Linux/Security Contractor, via http://www.orenet.co.uk/

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RE: [Mailman-Developers] Mysql MemberAdaptor, v1.27
by Barry Warsaw 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 15:29, Yuan, Cain wrote: > Hi Kev, > It's very cool to do a ping() before using those connections. One > more question here: where are you planning to add the code for close > those connections when mailman is ready to quit (sometimes we need to > shutdown mailman manually and of cause we did not want to leave those > connection in the system)? Python has a __init() but seems no __exit > functions( correct me if I am wrong). Mailman's MailList instance currently doesn't have a close() method. The best you can do is structure things around the pseudo-transactions of .Load() and .Save(). Not ideal, clearly. You could experiment with adding an __del__ to MailList. -Barry

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