Mailman 3 October 2000 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] "unknown mailer error 1"
by Nigel Metheringham 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

chris(a)gwydion.net said: > What have I mis-configured? It looks like an exim misconfiguration, > but mailman hasn't as yet told me to do anything more than what I've > done to make it work... The quick fix is just to add a user= line on your exim aliases director (so that pipe commands have a user to run as) - have a look at the main exim documentation for details. You may well want to look at the exim/mailman howto - its in the release version as README.exim or online at http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham(a)VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "unknown mailer error 1"
by Dan Mick 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

> I've installed Mailman 2.0beta6 on a Solaris 7 system - Python 1.5.2 - > GCC 2.95 - Sendmail 8.10.2 - Apache 1.3.12. I've created a "test" > mailing list, and have attempted to subscribe myself to it. All of the > subscription confirmations I send to "test-request@[my mail server]" > bounce with the error message: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test > (reason: 1) > (expanded from: <test-request@[my mail server]>) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.mailcmd.test: not found Those dots there are a clue. I suspect something has interpreted that command as an alias, so I suspect your aliases file says something like: test-request: |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test Try enclosing the whole thing in quotes, as bin/newlist says to do: test-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"

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Mail error 2?
by Guess Who..... 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

Anyone know what Mail error 2 is? Julian

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No, not that "address"
by Don Porter 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

Got a message from a user today complaining she could not gain access to the subscriber list of a mailing list. The system told her that her "authentication failed". Was this because she changed her password? After a few messages exchanged, it turns out that in the entry labeled "Address" she was entering her *postal* address! Perhaps that entry should be labeled "E-mail" instead? -- | Don Porter dgporter(a)erols.com | | "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" | | -- Adam West as BATMAN | |______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Possible bug?: Ghost Reminders
by J C Lawrence 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:02:17 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> wrote: > At 2:59 PM -0700 10/2/00, Michael Ghens wrote: >> I received a report from someone who had unsudded from the list, >> yet, still received a "reminder". >> >> I checked the membership list, and sure enough, he was not on the >> list. > Mutter. I know I remember seeing this once before. I don't know > how it was resolved, but check the archives. it seems to be a > really rare thing, but if a second site's seen it, I guess it > needs to be looked at if we can figure out what's going on.... It happened to me using one of the v1.0 (long time back). I traced it down to something being corrupted in the pickled list DB, but couldn't find out how it got there. I wasn't enirely worried that it was Mailman's fault at the time as the machine was rather less than stable and it could have been simple filesystem corruption from having to be fscked every other day. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Re: [Mailman-Users] admin password
by J C Lawrence 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:04:18 +0200 Krzysztof Wychowalek <kaw(a)zrodla.most.org.pl> wrote: > When the subscriber forget his/her password, it is easy just to > click into "mail me the password" button and the password is sent > immediatelly. But what should the list-admin do if he forgot the > list password? Someone who knows the site password for Mailman will have to reset the list password. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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"unknown mailer error 1"
by dgjs＠acm.org 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

I've installed Mailman 2.0beta6 on a Solaris 7 system - Python 1.5.2 - GCC 2.95 - Sendmail 8.10.2 - Apache 1.3.12. I've created a "test" mailing list, and have attempted to subscribe myself to it. All of the subscription confirmations I send to "test-request@[my mail server]" bounce with the error message: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test (reason: 1) (expanded from: <test-request@[my mail server]>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.mailcmd.test: not found 554 5.3.0 |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test... unknown mailer error 1 The "INSTALL" file indicates such an error is likely due to a bad "--with-mail-gid" specification on the initial configure. I've tried GID specifications of "root", "other", "daemon", "bin", "mail", and "mailman", all without success. ("sendmail" seems to be using "other" as its default GID.) "syslog" indicates nothing more than "unknown mailer error 1". I'm stuck. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. David S. dgjs(a)acm.org

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: cleartext passwords
by J C Lawrence 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:47:37 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> wrote: > At 12:32 PM -0700 10/2/00, J C Lawrence wrote: >> Its purely there so that someone away from their normal accounts >> can continue to operate. Look at it this way: >> >> Given the confirm business: >> >> Authentication is two level: you know the subscription address >> and you get mail sent to it. >> >> Given a password: >> >> Authentication is two level: you know the subscription address >> and the password associated with it. > But, how much work is this, and what does it accomplish that > simply e-mailing the admin for help in a case like this doesn't? > And how many users would actually do it? As to how many, I don't know and I suspect the number would be extremely small (but would enclude me). As to admin help, I don't believe that a list server should encourage traffic to the list owner, or even make it ever so slightly easier. My standard and rote policy is to always refuse all requests for help from me as the list owner. I will not unsubscribe anyone, or change their list options for them. I answer questions and point to things they can do for themselves. I will point them at the list pages, and help them understand what they need to do, and that's about it. > On my lists, I can honestly say that the percentage of users who'd > do this is well under 1% (I say this with some confidence, since > I've run MLMs with functionality like this in the past). I think > my user base is fairly typical. I can't justify spending lots of > programming resources on functions that only the hard-core > off-the-bell-curve folks (like some list-admins, but I'd bet most > folks on this list running mailman wouldn't use this!) would use. I stand convicted (and that's without a truss). > Is this a feature for general use? In theory, maybe. In practice, > no. So why put much programming energy into it? Largely because its there already. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Fw: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Re: The Password Feature.
by Gary Wilson 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wilson" <wilsong(a)sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu> To: "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Re: The Password Feature. > well, mine goes back 20 years, and I currently have a number of MLM's > that are 100% my code in production. And I reacted the same way, > Gary. I just dealt with it differently. I think what you said > probably wasn't what you intended, but I don't think the > interpretation was too out of line. > Yeah, you're right. Sorry for my bad manners. I wasn't trying to be demanding. I was trying to point to a problem and then someone basically flamed me and I got mad. They chose to misread what I wrote as a threat. After years on the net, I know that you should try to give someone's comments the benefit of doubt. If you think that I am being threatening, then ask to make sure you've gotten the right interpretation. I don't really plan to drop Mailman for any reason. I have nothing to threaten with. And I'm sure the developers wouldn't be impressed one way or the other with either me making demands or threatening them. I do still think that they are interested in feedback. What I was originally discussing was the password feature, which I would like to see changed. My point was that the developers have not commented on the issue of passwords. And someone was saying that they were going to make a decision on whether or not to use Mailman based on a change in the password feature. Based on what has been said so far by the developers, such a change isn't planned and will not be implemented. This hadn't been made clear and the person who wants to choose Mailman based on a change in the password feature had been left with the impression that a change is imminent. Mailman is a damn fine program and Barry and everyone else working on it deserve a lot of praise and support. I'm truly sorry if my comments gave any other impression. Gary

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Possible bug?: Ghost Reminders
by Michael Ghens 03 Oct '00

03 Oct '00

I received a report from someone who had unsudded from the list, yet, still received a "reminder". I checked the membership list, and sure enough, he was not on the list. I am using MM2.0b6

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