Mailman-Users April 2020

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14 discussions

Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions
by Andre de Azevedo Cunha 18 Apr '22

18 Apr '22

Hi, i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE. I configured my Hold.py was described bellow: replaced hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, _ MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size)) with rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size) _ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_ The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? Thanks, André Dennis Putnam wrote: > >I am getting back to this and I have a question about maintenance. What >is the correct way to modify this so that it will not get destroyed by >updates? There are two ways to proceed. You can modify Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py itself, but before overwriting it, make a "diff -u" between the base Hold.py and your modified version to use as a patch to apply after any upgrade. A better way is to leave Hold.py unchanged and make your own edited version as say Mailman/Handlers/MyHold.py. Then you can replace the base Hold.py Module with your MyHold.py by putting GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' in mm_cfg.py. Note that if you are going to do this, and you want also to move MimeDel before Hold, you must either put the above line after the lines GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') in mm_cfg.py or put it before, but then also change GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('MyHold'), 'MimeDel') I recommend the former as in # # Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered # message. # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') # # Replace Hold with local version # GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' Since mm_cfg.py survives upgrades, this should survive. >Also does this same procedure apply to other automatic rejections such >as implicit destination? >On 9/24/2012 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> To automatically reject or discard messages that exceed the list's size >> limit, find the section of the Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py that ends with >> the lines >> >> >> if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> # no return >> >> (there is one wrapped line in the above) and replace >> >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> >> with >> >> rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) >> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice >> >> to reject the message or with >> >> raise Errors.DiscardMessage >> >> to discard the message. Note that this will not honor the list's >> forward_auto_discards setting. to do that you would need to put >> >> from Mailman.Handlers.Moderate import do_discard >> >> with the other imports near the beginning of the >> Mailman.Handlers.hold.py module and then replace the lines with >> >> do_discard(mlist, msg) Yes, similar changes would apply to other holds in Hold.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net [1]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Links: ------ [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Newbie User
by David Elliott 18 Mar '22

18 Mar '22

Hi, I am a newbie to Mailman and cpanel and I need some help, please. I have set up a mailing list for my tennis club (about 300 on list) and it seems to work ok BUT each recipient only sees the mailing list name rather than his own email name in the 'to' box. One of the recipients recently did a 'reply to all' and consequently sent his reply to the whole mailing list. I'm sure there must be a way to prevent this but I can't find it! David Elliott

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Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?
by Mal 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is anonymous...! Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of each mail so that the mails have the name of the sender, while the mail itself comes from the list address? I have looked high and low for an answer, but noone seems to have the solution. Thank you! Mal

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Mailman CGI Error-Group mismatch error
by Wang, Mary Y 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

Hi, I received the following error this morning. So I rerun configure again with the following command: ./configure --with-cgi-id=apache --prefix=/var/mailman. I'm still getting the same error. Is there any place that I can look for so that I can debug this problem better? Perhaps, looking at the config history file or something. Any other places that I can check the cause of this error? "Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group "apache". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as group "nobody", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'." Thanks Mary

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Very strange issue With Mailman + Exchange(?)
by Bruce Johnson 30 Jul '20

30 Jul '20

I am not sure how to figure this out. Lengthy explanation: Internally in our Exchange server, that address is a distribution group whose only member is the actual <list-name>@lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu, because the Mailman server is not our mail server. (we have a mildly complicated setup: hybrid OnPrem and O365 exchange + Barracuda spam appliance in front of all of it, which is our actual SMTP server. Outgoing email from the list server bypasses Exchange and is sent directly to the Barracuda SMTP server. For two users and ONLY these two users, somewhere between them and mailman and back, the Mailman list is being expanded to put all the members of the list on the CC line. It then gets held for approval with a ’too many addresses’ message. I have watched them send an email to the affected list; the list address is NOT in their local address cache, and they are NOT entering any other addresses in the email other than the list address. The only address that appears on the email in their Sent folder is the list address. Other users in our organization can send to these same lists without this happening. In fact one of the affected users can send to *other* lists on our server with no problems. These are two different lists. I don’t know that this is specifically a Mailman problem (because it’s only happening with specific users) but I cannot see how list members are getting stuffed on the CC line otherwise; because Exchange only knows the list address, not the members; only Mailman does. TLDR: Somehow the all the list addresses are getting stuck onto the list message which then holds it for approval for ’too many addresses’. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs

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some mailman interface links are http:// instead https://..
by Knut Krüger 30 Apr '20

30 Apr '20

version 2.1.23 <http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html> Debian Stretch There are some pages of the administration interface which are using http:// instead of https:// f.e the admin interface of the Held Messages are not working: http://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/Mylist [Posting Held for Approval] using Defer, Approve, Reject, Discard and [Submit All Data] is causing Firefox to show an warning (using unencrypted connection) and it is impossible to delete the held messages. All links at the https://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/Mylist (Held Messages)page are linked without https:// The mails for the reminder that there are messages to administrate are sent without https:// the server changes to https:/ automatically Regards Knut

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List migrated to Mailman 3
by Mark Sapiro 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

This list, mailman-users(a)python.org has been migrated to Mailman 3. There are still some issues in importing the archives that I'm working through, but the list itself should be fine. The focus of the list is still Mailman 2.1 user support. The appropriate list for Mailman 3 user support is mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users@mailman3.org/>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Getting full From not via
by Ben Edwards 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

Hi, we have a list server with several lists and the setup seems different on some and not sure how to fix this. The problem is on some lists some people are not getting the names of the people who send emails (in thunderbird). Looking at the source the lists that are showing the names have this in the source. From: "Ben Edwards (CUBE)"<bene(a)cubecinema.com> But the ones that are not have this in the source. From: "Ben Edwards \(CUBE\) via lighting"<lighting(a)cubecinema.com> So how do I setup mailman so the email address, rather than list name and via, are in the From field? Regards, Ben

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Trouble migrating
by Lothar Schilling 29 Apr '20

29 Apr '20

Hi everybody, today I tried to migrate our whole mailman installation to another server. Old server: Centos 6.10, Mailman 2.1.29, Python 2.6.6 New server: Centos 7.7, Mailman 2.1.30 (from the tgz file), Python 2.7.5 It seemed to be an easy transition. But then I started to realize I've run into problems. For example, I can't release a moderated message. Also, I cannot switch users from moderated to not moderated or hidden to unhidden. The error logs look like this: Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) SHUNTING: 1587915493.168592+122b90464edb8dfe2a33eb4e84fd036f0943019c Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587915493.168592+bfc8cbc934795ac0c0d663ac31c3ea3df13e9b59.bak Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587916338.266272+f1e11334def7f62140a3442c10bd6b56268d9010.pck' Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1587916338.266272+f1e11334def7f62140a3442c10bd6b56268d9010 Apr 26 17:52:19 2020 (11726) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /var/spool/mailman/out/1587916338.266272+5c0165dec7b0fdd4e3851688a77b8e31a99b015d.bak Apr 26 17:52:20 2020 (11727) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587916338.285911+c4b5275fd082841b395994955b37f5f85569bba9.bak Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in <module> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): main() Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): qrunner.run() Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): self._cleanup() Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): BounceMixin._cleanup(self) Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): self._register_bounces() Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 126, in _register_bounces Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): mlist.Save() Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 578, in Save Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): self.__save(dict) Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 555, in __save Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): os.link(fname, fname_last) Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): Traceback (most recent call last): Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in <module> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): main() Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): qrunner.run() Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): self._cleanup() Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): BounceMixin._cleanup(self) Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): self._register_bounces() Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 126, in _register_bounces Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): mlist.Save() Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 578, in Save Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): self.__save(dict) Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 555, in __save Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): os.link(fname, fname_last) Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation not permitted /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f didn't give me any errors. I also tried to fall back to Centos' standard mailman package which is 2.1.15 but to no avail. This took me all day and I'm still where I was in the morning. Any help out there? Thank you very much! Lothar Schilling

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble migrating
by Lothar Schilling 26 Apr '20

26 Apr '20

Hi Tom, this is not meant for me, is it? My name's not David. Also, my problem is of a different kind. Regards Lothar Schilling Am 26.04.2020 um 18:44 schrieb Tom Coradeschi: > David: Your qrunner exceptions sound surprisingly like a problem I had > earlier this week with a new install of 2.1.30. > > In Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py > > change line 60 > from: while i>0 and (L[i-1][0] in lowercase or > to: while i>0 and (L[i-1][0] in lowercase[:26] or > > Restart mailman and see how things go from there. > > — > Tom Coradeschi > tcora(a)skylands.ibmwr.org > > >> On 26 Apr 2020, at 12:05 PM, Lothar Schilling <ls(a)proasyl.de> wrote: >> >> Hi everybody, >> >> today I tried to migrate our whole mailman installation to another >> server. >> >> Old server: Centos 6.10, Mailman 2.1.29, Python 2.6.6 >> >> New server: Centos 7.7, Mailman 2.1.30 (from the tgz file), Python 2.7.5 >> >> It seemed to be an easy transition. But then I started to realize >> I've run into problems. For example, I can't release a moderated >> message. Also, I cannot switch users from moderated to not moderated >> or hidden to unhidden. The error logs look like this: >> >> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] >> Operation not permitted >> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Traceback (most recent call last): >> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) SHUNTING: >> 1587915493.168592+122b90464edb8dfe2a33eb4e84fd036f0943019c >> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: >> /var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587915493.168592+bfc8cbc934795ac0c0d663ac31c3ea3df13e9b59.bak >> Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No >> such file or directory: >> '/var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587916338.266272+f1e11334def7f62140a3442c10bd6b56268d9010.pck' >> Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Traceback (most recent call last): >> Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Skipping and preserving unparseable >> message: 1587916338.266272+f1e11334def7f62140a3442c10bd6b56268d9010 >> Apr 26 17:52:19 2020 (11726) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: >> /var/spool/mailman/out/1587916338.266272+5c0165dec7b0fdd4e3851688a77b8e31a99b015d.bak >> Apr 26 17:52:20 2020 (11727) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: >> /var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587916338.285911+c4b5275fd082841b395994955b37f5f85569bba9.bak >> >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): Traceback (most recent call last): >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in <module> >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): main() >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): qrunner.run() >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): self._cleanup() >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): BounceMixin._cleanup(self) >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): self._register_bounces() >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 126, in >> _register_bounces >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): mlist.Save() >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 578, in Save >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): self.__save(dict) >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 555, in __save >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): os.link(fname, fname_last) >> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation >> not permitted >> >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): Traceback (most recent call last): >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in <module> >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): main() >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): qrunner.run() >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): self._cleanup() >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): BounceMixin._cleanup(self) >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): self._register_bounces() >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 126, in >> _register_bounces >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): mlist.Save() >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 578, in Save >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): self.__save(dict) >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): File >> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 555, in __save >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): os.link(fname, fname_last) >> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation >> not permitted >> >> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f didn't give me any errors. >> >> I also tried to fall back to Centos' standard mailman package which >> is 2.1.15 but to no avail. >> >> This took me all day and I'm still where I was in the morning. Any >> help out there? >> >> Thank you very much! >> >> Lothar Schilling >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tjcora%40icloud.com > > > > — > Tom Coradeschi > tjcora(a)icloud.com > > > > > > — > Tom Coradeschi > tcora(a)skylands.ibmwr.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ls%40proasyl.de

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