Mailman 3 August 2003 - Mailman-Users

Simple question about "Protected groups"
by Laureijs, Quinten 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

Hi all, One of our customer's requirements is that the application is able to contain protected groups: groups (or lists) that contain users' mailaddresses from which they cannot unsubscribe. I have gone through the admin pages on a test-machine and the online FAQ's but so far I haven't seen anything that could comply to my customer's requirement. Did I miss something or is it just not possible? Thanks in advance, Quinten --- Unix Administrator NCR Nederland N.V.

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security on an announce-only list
by Jeroen Valcke 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

Hello, I created an announce-only list. To do this in 'Privacy section' I set the moderation on, the poster receives a rejection notice which explains that this is an announce-only list. In 'membership management' I disabled moderation for people who should be able to send msgs to the list. There is however a potential problem with this approach. Suppose that the pc of one of these authorized posters gets infected with a virus. The virus could propagate on the list. Or somebody could pretend to be an authorized posters by spoofing the from address and the msg would be distributed on the list. I would like to activate an alternate moderation action for the members who are allowed to post to the list. However I don't immediately see a way to implement this. Any ideas? How are you handling this? Thanks in advance, Best regards, -Jeroen- -- Jeroen Valcke sst(a)belnet.be jeroen.valcke(a)belnet.be

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IP's instead of FQDN
by James Pifer 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

I'm new to mailman and have everything setup except for one problem. I've tried searching the archives but didn't find my resolution. I have it installed (version 2.1.2) and created a list. It seems fine except that some of the links in the forms are not using my domain settings, rather that have an IP address in the URL like, 192.168.1.99. For example, when you try to subscribe the Subscribe button tries to post to the IP address rather than the domain. I've tried setting the defaults for HOST and URL in defaults.py, but still can't get it fixed. Can anyone tell me what I might be missing? Thanks, James

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very weird behavior
by Kirk R. Wythers 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

So here is the deal (with a fresh outlook and a good night sleep). I am convinced that I did get everything working yesterday. I took some futzing around with the exim config file, sendmail.cf and apache. The reason that I thought things were working was that I created a new list 'testlist' and it worked fine (i.e. allowed me to subscribe, sent me notice that I had subscribed, let me post, sent the post, etc...) But when I tried to use the old (imported) list, I got the error about: Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'. So I tied re-configuring mailman with gid=mail, that got me the error message Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailnull'. This is clearly a loop... So this morning I go back to the 'testlist' and start poking around. It seems that everything works fine unless I turn on moderation, or aproval in the "required for subscription" field (anything that requires a message to be sent to the moderator/admin), then I'm back to the error: Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'. Any idea what is going on here? Kirk

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names
by Richard Barrett 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

Begin forwarded message: > From: Richard Barrett <r.barrett(a)openinfo.co.uk> > Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 5:45:27 pm Europe/London > To: "Chinn, Hindy" <hchinn(a)hillel.org> > Cc: mailman-user(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names > > > On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 05:18 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote: > >> Thanx for your reply.. >> >> So why wouldn't these listnames work? >> >> Alumni-hbispring03 >> Alumnihbispr03 >> > > There is no reason why, with a standard MM installation, that these > two mailing list names will not work. > > To try and confirm this I have just created and sent messages through > two lists with these names on my test system. This server is running > Suse Linux 7.3, Sendmail 8.11.6 and MM 2.1.2 > > When you say the list names did not work what do you mean. How does > the 'not working-ness' manifest itself. > > The problem is probably not inherently a Mailman one but maybe your > MTA is imposing restrictions of some sort. > > What type and version of OS. MTA and Mailman are your running? > >> But this did... >> Alumhbis03 >> >> hindy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:r.barrett@openinfo.co.uk] >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:15 PM >> To: Chinn, Hindy >> Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org >> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Length limit of list names >> >> >> >> On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 04:33 pm, Chinn, Hindy wrote: >> >>> >>> What are the do's and don'ts of list names? Limit number of >>> characters? Can there be spaces, dashes, underscores in name? >>> >> >> >> I am not aware of any explicit length limits but I wouldn't write an >> essay in a list. Long list names can be inconvenient for users to type >> when posting etc >> >> Mail list names have to function as valid mail aliases, as a directory >> name and as part of file names in the server's file system so you have >> several constraints to consider. >> >> To complicate life, there is a set of mail aliases associated with any >> given list; for instance for the list called 'testlist' the menagerie >> is. >> >> testlist >> testlist-admin >> testlist-bounces >> testlist-confirm >> testlist-join >> testlist-leave >> testlist-owner >> testlist-request >> testlist-subscribe >> testlist-unsubscribe >> owner-testlist >> >> You want to avoid like the plague having a list whose base list name >> ends/begins with any of the suffices/prefixes. This will cause >> problems >> for instance if one list's -admin alias is another list's base name! >> >> Although mail aliases are notionally case sensitive, that way lies >> insanity, and few MTAs will distinguish mail aliases that are >> differentiated by case alone. Mailman treats all list names as case >> insensitive and the directory/file names associated with a list in the >> file system and in MM's web GUI interface URI's exclusively use the >> lower-case version version of the list name. >> >> Various characters other than a-zA-Z0-9 are entirely legal in mail >> aliases but will cause grief when used in file names. In some case >> they >> may also break code that decomposes mail aliases in a simple-minded, >> maybe even incompetent, way. There is little point in exploring the >> outer-reaches of such code's capability unless you are a masochist. >> >> I would suggest you stick to a-zA-Z0-9 and hyphen as characters in >> list >> names. >> >>> Thanx >>> hindy >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> H I N D Y C H I N N >>> Asst. Director of Information Technology >>> Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life >>> phone: 202-449-6542 fax: 202-449-6442 >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> Richard Barrett >> http://www.openinfo.co.uk >> > >

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Length limit of list names
by Chinn, Hindy 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

What are the do's and don'ts of list names? Limit number of characters? Can there be spaces, dashes, underscores in name? Thanx hindy ---------------------------------------- H I N D Y C H I N N Asst. Director of Information Technology Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life phone: 202-449-6542 fax: 202-449-6442

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Approving messages
by Blessed Arrows 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

Is there a way to approve posts by replying to the message pending email that we receive? If so, can you please give instructions as to how to do this. The instructions at the bottom of each message pending email are not very clear. Thank you, Cindy McDaniels

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Mailman & Ensim Pro 3.5.X for Linux
by David J. Duffner - NWCWEB.com 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

Greetings, Now that, with Jon's help amongst tons of archive files, I managed to get Mailman working on Sun/Cobalt RaQ4r I'm a glutton for punishment... Between Sun's End Of Life on all appliances and Interland sucking up and trashing another excellent co-lo/hosting facility, we're out of the RaQ game and on to Ensim. Ensim has some strange setup quirks that may either be the easiest install in the world, or a larger nightmare than the RaQ's were. Has anyone here done an Ensim Pro 3.5 series install? Ensim Pro 3.5 essentially takes all the Virtual and IP-based domains and places them in a chroot'ed environment as I've heard Jon mention previously. But then they went further by making each and every domain it's own mini-box with all the trimmings. Like miniature servers instead of pooling resources and functions like the RaQs. I've found something in the main httpd.conf file that's stating if I uncomment the lines I can get Mailman to work. Only problem is that Ensim documentation doesn't really exist and I'm not sure if simply installing Mailman in the root domain and using these pathing links would allow use of Mailman system-wide or if they're just to allowing each domain to use the Sendmail MTA and I have to install Mailman in every domain that wants it. So that's the question, to install it system-wide or install it on a domain-as-needed basis. Majordomo exists in each domain separately, but that's not saying much. Switch selectable, can be tossed in seconds. Any advice appreciated! David J. Duffner VP Operations NWC Corporation www.nwcxpress.com -------------------------------------------- NWC Corporation - Global e-Pay Solutions POSA terminals, Merchant Accounts, E-payment solutions, Gift Cards and much more! NWCWEB.com - Your design, hosting and e- commerce solution! Featuring Miva Merchant e-commerce & Ensim Pro/Linux based platforms --------------------------------------------

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mailman not sending [remote host address is the local host]
by Kirk R. Wythers 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

I am trying to set up mailman on through a virtual domain. I have the everything working except that no mail is going out. I set masquerading with: MASQUERADE_AS(`neighborsunited.org')dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl in sendmail. I have looked through the faq and all of the obvious stuff is working (alaises, qrunner, etc...) I am getting a repeated error message in /var/log/exim/mainlog that reads: 2003-08-06 10:48:31 H=localhost.forestry.umn.edu (lorax.forestry.umn.edu) [::1] sender verify defer for <testlist-bounces(a)neighborsunited.net>: remote host address is the local host Does anyone recognize this error Thanks Kirk

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new version of mailman installed in different place...
by Aaron Falk 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Hi- I just upgraded from RH7.3 to RH9 and, while I had initially installed mailman 2.0.13 in /usr/share/mailman, I let RH install 2.1 during the upgrade. Afterwards, I discovered that the new location is /var/mailman. I thought that moving the lists to the new location would be a simple matter. As user mailman I tarred up the mailman/archive/* and mailman/lists/* directories, moved them to the new location, and untarred them. I restarted httpd and could get to the list admin login page but, upon logging in, I get an error. Also, the lists are not forwarding mail. (The lists are primarily for a bunch of YMCA programs which are moribund during the summer so there is no traffic at this time.) Can anyone suggest either a way to fix my current move/upgrade strategy or tell me the right way to start over? I'm pasting in the error message below. Thanks, --aaron ==================================================== Bug in Mailman version 2.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 82, in main cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 216, in WebAuthenticate ac = self.Authenticate(authcontexts, response, user) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 182, in Authenticate self.Save() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 505, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 463, in __save fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/mailman/lists/test/config.pck.tmp.nit.isi.edu.2223' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 16 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://nit.isi.edu/mailman/admin/test SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) SERVER_ADMIN root@localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.40 Server at nit Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST nit.isi.edu PATH_INFO /test SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/test HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* PATH_TRANSLATED /var/www/html/test HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME nit REMOTE_ADDR 64.81.33.165 REMOTE_PORT 1373 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us UNIQUE_ID RQE4DIAJoHQAAAQ3NR8AAAAD SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_HOST dsl081-033-165.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SERVER_ADDR 128.9.160.116 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html

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