Mailman 3 December 2008 - Mailman-Users

Enabling SSL
by Rich Winkel Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Does anyone have a recipe for redirecting http: connections to https? Thanks, Rich

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Subscription Confirmations
by Mark Sapiro Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Jim wrote: > >I have confirmed that one user who received the duplicate confirmation did, indeed, have a "subscribe" in the subject and the body. > >Is there a way to protect against that behavior by the -request process? I would expect that process to detect that the requests were within the same email message and send only one response. Is there a reason it doesn't behave in that manner today? It could be done, but it is tricky. As it is, CommandRunner just processes the subject and up to DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES (default 25) body lines one at a time until it gets a non-command or error except non-commands or errors in the subject are OK. If it gets a subscribe command for a member, it's an error, but if subscribe requires confirmation or approval, the subscribed address won't be a member when the second request is processed. Note that it is perfectly valid to have multiple subscribe commands in one message as each command can request subscription of a different address. So, in order to avoid accepting a second subscribe request for the same address, we could look at all the pending subscriptions and see if we have one for this address, but even then we can't just ignore this request as it might be intentional (say the confirmation email from the prior request was lost) so we'd have to make a decision based on how recent the prior request was. It seems like a lot of effort for something that occurs infrequently and does no real harm. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Excessive bounces unsuscription
by Ray Dec. 11, 2008

Dec. 11, 2008

Hi. I'm Ray from espora.org. We're having some trouble with a mail list in our server. The fact is that we've all received an e-mail telling us about excessive bounces, so we've been all unsuscribed. We have no idea about what could be, so i'm writting all of you to know if you've experienced something like this, and tell me what can i try to do :) Thanks

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Moving mailman to a new directory (same server)
by Lynn, Michael (GWM-CAI) Dec. 11, 2008

Dec. 11, 2008

I ran out of disk on the partition where mailman (/var) resides - I've gotten more disk assigned and I'm planning to move mailman to a new file system (/apps). I found the faq entry and information on moving mailman from one server to another... but I'm wondering if anyone is aware of any special precautions associated with moving to a new directory location. I already found paths.py and grep'd for occurances of /var throughout... I'm just wondering if I need to force a recompile of the pyc's... perhaps I'm better biting the bullet and re-installing from source...? Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) may be privileged, confidential or proprietary, and if you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, do not use or share it and delete it. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Merrill Lynch. Subject to applicable law, Merrill Lynch may monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.ml.com/e-communications_terms/. By messaging with Merrill Lynch you consent to the foregoing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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relaying and public lists
by Peter Kaszas Dec. 11, 2008

Dec. 11, 2008

Hi! I have a frontend mailserver with postfix, it is configured to relay all mails which have destination: listname(a)list.example.com to my mailman server. This mailman server is in DMZ, it have LOCAL IP, and it is configured with postfix. In my postfix transport.db file I added the link to relay all @list.algotech.hu to mailman: My mailman-postfix host get mails from the frontend server. Everything is cool. But, when I wanted to setup some lists to accept mails from everybody (public list) (that means I accept mails also from non-listmembers without any moderation), that means I setup in Privacy Options ... -> Sender Filter -> General Non Memeber rule : ACCEPT!!!! But it doesnt do that. Still If I send a mail from a non subscribed account, It holds up, and waits for moderation.... How could it be posibble? Did I something make wrong? Thx. Peter

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Duplicate Subscription Confirmations
by James Weingarten Dec. 11, 2008

Dec. 11, 2008

Hi. Have you ever seen Mailman issue duplicate subscription requests? When a user sends a request to subscribe, he is receiving two confirmations for each request. Nothing obvious is apparent in the logs and the confirmations are properly formatted. Email is flowing well (using Postfix as the MTA). Has anyone seen this problem before? Do you have any suggestions as to how to approach this problem? Here is some environmental information: OS - CentOS 5.2 (2.6.18-92.1.10.el5) Mailman - 2.1.9 Postfix - 2.3.3 Python - 2.4.3 Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim

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postfix integration question
by Mark A. Olbert Dec. 11, 2008

Dec. 11, 2008

I'm running into a GID problem in the interface between mailman and postfix. Here's the error message: (Command died with status 2: "/usr/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nogroup". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nogroup'.) In googling the problem I came across one purported solution which involved simply creating a separate aliases file for mailman aliases, whose group ownership was set to mailman. That didn't work, nor did setting the separate aliases file's group ownership to nogroup. Before I go in and reconfigure mailman I thought I'd check here and in the postfix users group to see if anyone had any other alternative solutions. - Mark "Too much sanity may be madness! But maddest of all -- to see life as it is and not as it should be." __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3677 (20081209) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

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recovering from a "no space left on device" error
by Wallace Winfrey Dec. 10, 2008

Dec. 10, 2008

Earlier this morning the partition containing our mailman install (including archives) filled up. We were alerted to this by error messages being returned when trying to send emails. We cleared up some disk space, but did not restart mailman. Users no longer got the error message when posting to a list, so I figured all was well, and moved on to other tasks. A couple hours ago, a list member alerted me that the lists didn't seem to be sending out any mail. I checked the folder of what is normally a 75-100 message a day list and saw that no messages had been sent since the disk space issue. I restarted mailman, but it seems that the posts sent since the disk space issue was cleared up are going out very slowly. This is to be expected somewhat, but I was wondering if there was anything I could do to accelerate the process. Currently, qfiles/out has 158 .pck files. When I restarted mailman an hour ago, it was at 161. Assuming that mailman processes .pck files chronologically, it appears that only 15 messages have come into qfiles/out in the last hour, while 18 have gone out. Like I said, is there any way to expedite the out queue? Many of my qfiles directories have 0-length pck.tmp files: - qfiles/in has 398 0-length pck.tmp files (168 from today) - qfiles/bounces has 342 0-length pck.tmp files - qfiles/commands has 178 0-length pck.tmp files Is it ok to remove these? If so, is there a special way to remove them, like bin/discard for heldmsgs? I assume these 0-length files were created when the disk ran out of space. Also, qfiles/shunt currently has 11081 pickle files in it. I examined a few of them at random, and they all appear to be spam - some go back as far as 2006. Is there a proper way to clear out my qfiles/shunt directory as well? I did, of course, run unshunt, which temporarily cleared out the directory, but then repopulated it again after adding a few MB to the end of my mailman/logs/error file. I imagine I can just rm the 0-length files without issue, but manually removing .pck files from the data directory in the past has caused me headaches, so I wanted to make sure. Anything else mailman-related I should take into consideration after running out of disk space? cheers w

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Subscribing other lists to a list.
by Dan Mahoney, System Admin Dec. 9, 2008

Dec. 9, 2008

I just helped to manage a migration from Ecartis to Mailman for my day job. We have a periodic -announce list that we send out on to release new software versions. What I'm finding is we cannot duplicate the same behavior we have under Ecartis. Ecartis had a simple "import" option, where list B could be a subset of list A, but list A could also contain normal users. I've found this post http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/solutions/umbrella.html and it explains things pretty well, but neither option would really work well for us. Umbrella lists don't work because they say "this was sent to the umbrella list" in the footers (which are suppressable) but also in the TO: header (or the cc header). We could send to: a fake address, with a cc: to a fake address, but this would set off spam filters, and we're staunchly anti-spam. On the other hand, Parent lists don't work, for the same reason -- there are people who sign up for -announce and -discuss and want to filter them separately, or who don't want the noise of -discuss and want to get it as a digest. Right now, the easiest (and dumbest) answer is "just make announcements to all three lists". Ecartis stripped duplicates there -- if you were on list a, I don't believe list b was imported. What I'd like to know if is possible within mailman is the following: a) A per-user flag that makes a user admin-control ONLY. No auto-bounce handling, no unsubscribe options, no password reminders...nothing. Essentially, this would move the "umbrella" setting from a global to a single address. This would solve about half the problem (the headers would still need to be fixed, mainly the to: header). But it's more than I have right now. -Dan Mahoney -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------

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Blocking Mail from self...
by Jeffrey M. Johnson Dec. 9, 2008

Dec. 9, 2008

I have a list that has become a target for spam messages. The problem is I can't seem to figure out how to block the incoming spam. If the list name is mylist(a)mylistserver.com how do I block spam messages that are "sent" from a spoofed address of mylist(a)mylistserver.com? I have tried to block and list as always requiring approval but it doesn't seem to take. Jeffrey M. Johnson Sr. Info Tech Professional Central Operations

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multi-list admin report
by Fulvio Casali Dec. 8, 2008

Dec. 8, 2008

I manage a few dozen lists on one domain, and I would like to get a view of all my lists at a glance, with info for each list: - #of subscribers, - names of moderators, - date of most recent post, - total# of posts, - etc. Is there such a control panel / admin report? I have version 2.1.11. Thanks! fulvio

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Multiple subscribers set in mailman
by swapan mitra Dec. 8, 2008

Dec. 8, 2008

Hi, I am new to mailman and I have List Administrator access only to the mailing list. Can I do the following and if yes how can I do that: We have series of messages (all messages are interlinked by topic) which we want to share with our mailing list subscribers. Now this is fine with already subscribed mailing list members. But who joins new into the same Mailing list we want to send them, messages from the first one and onwards how can we do that? As the new subscribers are only receives the current messages they will find meaning less content. I hope I can get some solutions for this. I am looking forward to have a solution for the requirement. Thanks in advance. Mr. Swapan Kumar Mitra Kolkata, WB, India. Mob:+91 0 98303 34580 E-mail Disclaimer This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. _________________________________________________________________ Wish to Marry Now? Join MSN Matrimony FREE! http://in.msn.com/matrimony

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Tend to pending moderator requests - Nothing happens
by hammond＠txcorp.com Dec. 8, 2008

Dec. 8, 2008

When I select Accept (or any action)/ Submit All Data in the list of pending posts, nothing happens. The page is sent, because I see the URL at the top being refreshed, but the pending message is not deleted or accepted. /var/lib/mailman is nfs-mounted, and exported rw,no_root_squash to the apache server. I've been searching for a list of permissions/ownership for the directories. It must be a permissions issue?? Currently: drwxrwsr-x 6 root mailman 4096 Dec 5 12:10 . drwxr-xr-x 34 root root 4096 Aug 25 2007 .. drwxrwsr-x 4 apache mailman 4096 Jul 17 2007 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 apache mailman 12288 Dec 4 16:37 data drwxrwsr-x 64 apache mailman 4096 Dec 4 16:26 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Oct 1 2006 spam mailman 2.1.9 Thanks in advance < Anne Anne M. Hammond - Systems / Network Administration

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confirm email never send out
by Hung Phan Dec. 8, 2008

Dec. 8, 2008

Hello, folks Just discover this issue with our mailing list. Our lists are set with user confirm but when the user signup, the email never send out. The send log file doesn't list anything. Have anyone run across this issue? Thanks,

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listhost vs hostname vs host_name
by Will Dec. 8, 2008

Dec. 8, 2008

Hi - so we have an automated setup between a CMS forum and mailman to create lists, having a little confusion about what values to pass config_list trying to understand what these three values govern: listhost vs hostname vs host_name right now we set -e emailhost via newlist, this has resulted in some incorrect data displaying in emails. this seems to set the listhost value but not host_name or hostname. we are attaching all lists to a subdomain. so like somelist(a)sub.domain.com emails from the lists setup however are coming from somelist-bounces(a)domain.com and in the emails the post to email address is give as somelist(a)domain.com. postfix and mailman however are working find at accepting emails to somelist(a)sub.domain.com and processing them through the lists. so I thought, hmm... maybe we need to set hostname to 'sub.domain.com'. but I also see that the templates for emails have 2 different hostname params: hostname and host_name. can someone explain the differences between all there and how to get our list configurations right using the commandline commands for our subdomained lists? Thanks! oh PS - is there a command also to patch our existing lists to set the host name values correctly. thanks

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Shunting problem and suggestions
by Steve Campbell Dec. 8, 2008

Dec. 8, 2008

I've got a single user out of approximately 250 that seems to always get shunted. It's a problem with extended character set characters being sent. She uses Outlook for an MUA. Can a user be whitelisted in any way to prevent the shunt tests from being done? Where might I look on her machine to discover what might be causing her Outlook to send these characters? We have many Outlook users, and she seems to be the only one with this problem? I'm guessing it's characters like the single and doulble quotation marks, as best as I can tell. I'm using mailman 2.1.5-1.25 RH rpm. Thanks Steve Campbell

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Problem with a single list
by Charlie Clark Dec. 7, 2008

Dec. 7, 2008

Hi, we have a problem with just one of our mailing lists. Unfortunately I do not have direct access to the Mailman install. There are lots of errors of the form: Oct 16 21:45:01 2008 (2881) SHUNTING: 1224186301.857964+44d57ae24346f2e593571310b2fb5a9262fdf059 Oct 16 21:50:03 2008 (2881) Uncaught runner exception: bad marshal data Oct 16 21:50:03 2008 (2881) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py", line 109, in process Hold.hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, Hold.NonMemberPost) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 207, in hold_for_approval id = mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 205, in HoldMessage self.__opendb() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 82, in __opendb self.__db = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data I have access to a copy of the Mailman install but I've not been able to work out how to check which file is defect. I can see that e-mails are still arriving and being processed and added to the archive but nothing is actually sent to the list. Other lists are fine. Any tips? Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 GSM: +49-178-782-6226

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Moving server and location
by Marc Beyer Dec. 7, 2008

Dec. 7, 2008

Hi, I'm trying to move the lists and archives of an existing Mailman 2.1.8 installation to a new server with a newly installed 2.1.11 version. On the old server, everything was kept under /opt/mailman-2.1.8, whereas on the new one (due to disk space issues) the archives and lists should be kept separately under /var/adm. Both of this is on HP-UX btw. This is my configure-line for the new install: /configure --prefix=/opt/mailman-2.1.11/ --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/adm/mailman The install worked fine as far as I can see. I then moved over the directories "archives", "lists" and "data" from the old server to the new one and fixed the symbolic links within archives to point at the new path. If I now run /opt/mailman-2.1.11/bin/list_lists it finds all the previously existing lists. check_perms also runs fine. Problem: both http://newserver.url/mailman/listinfo and http://newserver.url/mailman/admin say that there are no lists installed. What can I do to see these lists in the web interface? Also, shouldn't I be prompted for the old admin password at some point(where is that kept)? If there's any FAQ I've missed please be so kind as to point me to it, I've spent several hours scouring the online docs as well as the list archives but am still missing a solution. Cheers, Marc

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Duplicate detection: a plea
by Dan Mahoney, System Admin Dec. 6, 2008

Dec. 6, 2008

We recently moved over to mailman from Ecartis at $dayjob, and one of the largest annoyances is that mailman seems to have no ability to strip duplicate messages that are sent to the lists. We moved over from our main domain name, foo.com, to lists.foo.com, so what happens is this: A user posts to list(a)foo.com -- the mailer forwards it to list(a)lists.foo.com. People reply to the list and hit reply-all, which directs replies to the LIST (listname(a)lists.foo.com) but also to the original recipient (list(a)foo.com). Bam, duplicates. I don't want to get into an evangelical holy-war about reply-all. We already had it here. I've seen mention of a fix for this via procmail, that basically creates a "lockfile" based on the message-id. Our mail server's not running procmail, and since it's only hosting lists, not and mailboxes, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use it. All mailman would have to do is touch a per-list lockfile based on message-id (one line of shell), and then at some point in the posting process, if that lockfile exists, drop the message (as it's already come through). Cleanup is one line of shell (find foo -ctime xxx -delete) or can be handled from the qrunner. Heck, if you want to be fancy, give me a list of regexes that match recipients, and more than one must match to make this happen. I also tried sending this to the -developers list. No response. But maybe that's the wrong place since I'm not developing, or submitting a patch. Just saying I need a simple feature and could pay something for it if need be. Not something amazing, but enough for a nice dinner and drinks (or if you're local to silicon valley, I'll buy). Can mailman please have this functionality natively? -Dan -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------

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add admins and moderators
by faisal anif Dec. 5, 2008

Dec. 5, 2008

hi, I have about 120 lists on my server for different customers, some are small (50 subscribers max) and some are medium and big (100 - 300 subscribers) I need to add my email address as a server owner to administrate and moderate the lists to make sure no illegal actions are taken.. is there a SSH command line that I can use to add my email as moderator or administrator instead of logging into the web interface of each list and adding it manually? if SSH is applicable I can make a script to do it automatically.. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

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Problem with moving lists
by James Gallagher Dec. 5, 2008

Dec. 5, 2008

Hi, I moved a set of lists from one host & mailman installation to another host running Mailman 2.1.11rc2. I followed the advice in the FAQ regarding moving lists and it seemed to work OK but I notice two issues. First, messages to the lists are not being archived - I've checked the permissions on the .mbox files, et c., and they are the same as with new lists where archiving does work. One thing that shouldn't matter is that I ran configure before I copied the lists - I forget if that's the order used in the FAQ answer. The second question, and it might provide a clue regarding the first, is that I have the lists in question set to prefix the message subject with the name of the list in brackets. Again, that works with the new lists but not with the moved lists. Thanks, James -- James Gallagher jgallagher at opendap.org 406.723.8663

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Detailed list of features for version 2.1.11 ?
by Christopher Adams Dec. 5, 2008

Dec. 5, 2008

This link leads to an error. Is there another source for this information? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mailman/mailman/NEWS?only_with_tag=Re… -- Christopher Adams adamsca(a)gmail.com

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Gmail issue...
by Dario Ghilardi Dec. 5, 2008

Dec. 5, 2008

Hi all,this is not the common question about gmail feature that doesn't accept message back. I have problems with all gmail accounts (i tried with 2 different but i get the same result). I can subscribe to the list with a gmail account but i can't send emails to that. I can receive others email, but others (and the mailing list too as the archives are empty) can't receive mine. Suggestions? Thanks a lot, Dario

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Footer question...
by Greg and Cheryl Sabens Dec. 5, 2008

Dec. 5, 2008

I apologize in advance because I'm sure my questions below have been discussed over and over. I have search through Google and the Mailman FAQ and the archives. I see questions and answers that almost answer these questions of mine but just not quite. Question #1 So, I'm unclear about something concerning footers (mainly on the Non-digest options). It appears that whenever I create a footer, something (whether it's mailman or Yahoo!) is adding the following line: -----Inline Attachment Follows----- Can someone tell me where this is originating from. Sometime is looks like it from Mailman, but I have confirmed that it's not part of the footer that I created. But sometimes it seems to be in Yahoo! because when I receive the same email in Outlook and that text is not there. Question #2 Even beyond that, no matter which mail program/service I use (Yahoo! or Outlook), what footer I do create is attached to the email as an attachment. Again, I don't know what is causing that; 1) is Mailman sending it that way, or 2) are the mail programs/services forcing the footer (which does show up in the email body) to also be attached? I'd like to have a footer in the body of the email coming through my maillist, but I'd rally rather not have the "-----Inline Attachment Follows-----" text in the body or the footer included as an attachment to the email. Again, sorry if this is repetitive, but I couldn't find any thread or faq that spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it. Thank you in advance! Greg

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ImportError: No module named message
by rpyne＠kinfolk.org Dec. 4, 2008

Dec. 4, 2008

I am running Mailman 2.1.10. A few days ago I updated my Python to version 2.6 and everything looked good, list mail was flowing without problem. All of a sudden this afternoon, I started getting errors "ImportError: No module named message" on everything. This particular one is frim an attempt to re-install Mailman to make sure everything was up to date: /var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead import sha Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 110, in <module> from Mailman.MailList import MailList File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in <module> from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in <module> from Archiver import * File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in <module> from Mailman import Mailbox File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in <module> import mailbox File "/usr/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in <module> import email.message ImportError: No module named message

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering mail to recipients
by Doug Roberts Dec. 4, 2008

Dec. 4, 2008

I'm wondering if you ever discovered a resolution to this? We're having the same problem. The people that originally configured everything are no longer around, and we're in way over our heads. Doug Roberts Marketing Department Chair www.cantr.net

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Can't remove member
by Troy Knabe Dec. 4, 2008

Dec. 4, 2008

I have a member who was added as a link and I cannot get remove_member to work. I even tried removing all members. Does anyone have any ideas on this one? The quotes are actually part of the member's entry. ahref="mailto:user@domain.com"

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Admin access restrictions in 2.1.9
by Allan Hansen Dec. 4, 2008

Dec. 4, 2008

Hi all, I just upgraded my system from Mailman 2.1.5 to 2.1.9. After this change I am no longer able to use the 'Change globally' options when helping my subscribers change their subscription addresses or such. I have used mmsitepass to set a site administrator password (to be sure that that is the password I'm using). Looking at SecurityManager.py (I'm no Python wizzard) I get the impression that that password should let me do things globally, and this was, indeed, the case in 2.1.5. I have searched both the Wiki and the archive for info, but was not successful in finding it if it is there, sorry. How can I restore this ability? Thanks, Allan System: Mac OS/X 10.5.5 Server on iMac -- Allan Hansen P.O Box 2423 Cypress, CA 90630 U.S.A. hansen(a)rc.org +1-714-875-8870

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How about throttling?
by Mark Sapiro Dec. 4, 2008

Dec. 4, 2008

James Reid wrote: > >Why not simply use outbound QOS? > >I use it on my system and it works fine. > >In simple terms it equates to creating an artificial bottleneck on all >outbound SMTP traffic, "slowwing down mailman". None of these solutions will work for the OP who was concerned about Mailman dominating the MTA to the detriment of other traffic on a shared server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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How about throttling?
by Adam Corley Dec. 4, 2008

Dec. 4, 2008

I've read everything I can find about throttling mailman. Everything I found said it cannot be done. Any hope? Mailman is the slickest, easy-to-use mailer out there and I'd really like to continue using it. We just need to find a way to throttle it on shared hosting! Thanks! adam -- Too much junk mail? Ask us about MailSAINT! --- Adam Corley President Digital Core Solutions, Inc. Fremont, MI 49412 Toll Free: 1-866-219-0727 www.WhyDCS.com Map: http://www.whydcs.com/images/map.jpg ---

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Lapsed domain name
by Amos Glenn Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

Hi everyone- I couldn't find an answer to this question in any of my searches, so I'm asking the list. I feel pretty stupid making the assumptions I did to get myself into this mess, but here it goes: Some time ago, I was asked to administer a mailing list for a group under their domain name. When the community never developed, the group asking me to administer basically disbanded. I thought nothing of it until a few months ago, I learned that people were still receiving monthly reminders from Mailman of their list information. They want me to turn the list off so the people who had subscribed will stop receiving monthly reminders of the disappointing end of the list. But between then and now, the group let the domain name lapse and someone else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the Mailman list admin website to turn the list off. I contacted the web host and they were "unresponsive." Is there some other way to stop the list? Thanks very much, Amos

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New User trying to get Mailman, Apache2, Postfix working on Ubuntu LTS Server 8.04 for Internet
by Rusty0918 Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

OK. Someone and I have been attempting to get Mailman working under the ubuntu platform. I've recently installed the Apache2 Web Server, Postfix, and Maliman onto my machine. Presently, I'm using Ubuntu LTS Server 8.04, mostly due to the fact that I'm not sure that all this will work on a desktop configuration. I pretty much follow everything on the Ubuntu Server Guide in getting Apache2, Postfix, and Mailman working. Of course I configure Postfix to work with mailman, (tweaking the mm_cfg.py of course). The computer name I set on the installation was computerbroadcastnetwork, though I went inside the hosts and changed the "computerbroadcastnetwork" to "computerbroadcastnetwork.com" and set the local address to 127.0.0.1 instead of 127.0.1.1, hoping that would alleviate any problems. I can get the UI interface working somewhat on my own system, but not on external systems. When I try to create a new list, and type in my E-mail address to be notified, it will NOT send. OK here's the information: The host name should be "computerbroadcastnetwork.com" I don't think all the installation guides or anything are going to cut the mustard for me here. I need the best way to get Mailman working on my system, and to work correctly on the web. FYI, my network is a local LAN which uses DHCP. Do I need a DHCP3 server? I hope one of you can assist me in getting this working on my machine. It's been a real pain. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-User-trying-to-get-Mailman%2C-Apache2%2C-Postfix-… Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name
by Jan Steinman Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

> From: Jan Steinman <Jan(a)Bytesmiths.com> > > I'd start slamming the list with thousands of messages (yea, I know, > unkind to the hapless subscribers) in the hope that all the bounces > and admin backscatter will spur the new domain owner into action. Before everyone starts jumping all over me for writing this, I should have bracketed that with <sarcasm>...</sarcasm> Please don't do that. Mark's suggestion that you politely tell the hosting service that the list will be reported to various spam cops as a spam site should get results. Do "whois domainname" to find out the email addresses of people who can help you. :::: The Earth isn't a pizza. You can't dial up and have one delivered! -- Alf :::: :::: Jan Steinman <http://www.EcoReality.org> ::::

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Mailman Cannot Create a New List
by bjk＠comauth.co.nz Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

Hi there Have spent an hour trawling through FAQ / Archives etc, but I can't find a match for my current predicament. :-) We have installed Mailman via cpanel / Fantastico on www.claverton-energy.com and have a Mailing List which has worked perfectly for a couple of weeks at; http://claverton-energy.com/mailman/admin/claverton-group_claverton-energy.c om However, the site owner now wants a new list created. The problem is, the link to do this; http://claverton-energy.com/mailman/create - generates a 404 Page Not Found Error... None of the documentation / trouble-shooting anticipates that particular circumstance - and we have absolutely no idea what to do to resolve it! :-) Some advice / help would be appreciated. Kind regards Ben Kemp Webmaster @ Claverton Energy Kind regards Ben Kemp

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Problem with MySQL MemberAdaptor and Mailman 2.1.9
by Dominik Zäuner Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

Hi all, I'm currently using a preconfigured system with Exim 4.66 and Mailman 2.1.9. I additionally added MySQL MemberAdaptor according to the instrucitons at: http://loeki.tv/log/archives/81-Setting-up-Mailman-to-store-members-in-a-My… Now everything works fine as long I'm just using the web interface for adding/removing user or directly add/remove them in the database. BUT: If a user subscribes via mail to -request, he gets a correct confirmation and welcome mail, but never is added to the database but to the list's "normal" config-file. Any suggestions what I can do to fix this? Regards, Dominik Zäuner

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name
by Jan Steinman Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

> From: "Amos Glenn" <amosglenn(a)gmail.com> > > ... the group let the domain name lapse and someone > else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the > Mailman list > admin website to turn the list off. > > I contacted the web host and they were "unresponsive." <rant>Don't get me started on this topic! I have been fighting to reinstate a lapsed domain name for one of my clients for a YEAR now! The original registrar (RegisterFly -- avoid like the plague!) went bankrupt, and they went dark for a couple months, and didn't notify my client their name lapsed. Then another registrar took over the name, again without notifying the registrant. Now RegisterFly is re-org'd and back in business, but they won't reinstate the name, pointing to the other registrar (ENOM), who points back. WHAT A MESS!</rant> Moral of the story, don't EVER let a domain name lapse if you think you might want it again. Unless you've got very deep pockets. > Is there some other way to stop the list? On the other hand, I'm amazed it is still up and running. I would write to the new owners, pointing out that it is in their best interest to stop this "parasitic" use of their resources, that they are paying for. If that doesn't get results, I'd start slamming the list with thousands of messages (yea, I know, unkind to the hapless subscribers) in the hope that all the bounces and admin backscatter will spur the new domain owner into action. :::: Securely there being a gradation which is done the picture whose also noise is little, seeing, is feeling difference potato. -- from a Google translation of a Japanese camera review :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com ::::

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How do I change the host_name preference
by Sean Murphy Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

In the general options admin page there is a setting "Host name this list prefers for email." When I create a list it uses "calarts.edu" in the field but I would like it to automatically use the FQDN "server.calarts.edu". Is there a way to set it permanently for all new list on creations. Thanks

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Check_perms issues
by support Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

What does this all mean? Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix root@computerbroadcastnetwork:/etc# check_perms -f /var/lib/mailman/templates bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/Mailman bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/locks bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/cron bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/pythonlib bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/scripts bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/mail bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/bin bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) /var/lib/mailman/icons bad group (has: root, expected list) (fixing) Problems found: 11 Re-run as list (or root) with -f flag to fix

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Having a number of problems
by Joe Ruffolo Dec. 3, 2008

Dec. 3, 2008

I've been trying for weeks to get mailman up and running. Im very new to Linux, mailman, apache and all the MTA's. I've followed all the write up's but can never seem to get mailman to work correctly. Right now im at the point where if I create a newlist it will send an email to the administrator of that list (me) but the links (URLS) it sends in the email do not work (I get page not found errors). After fooling around and looking around I was able to access the web management part of mailman ( by total luck I was tooling around and in /var/mail/ i found an email that had the same URL on it and i copy and pasted it and it worked. It only works on the server in which mailman runs on) so I can administer my lists from there. The problem is I can mass subscribe a billion people and they actually receive the welcome to such and such list but they cant email that list. I don't know where the email goes. Afew days ago i was getting mailer daemon errors. I also cant access the links to that list as well. What am I missing here! I am using sendmail as my MTA Thanks in advnace! Joe

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New User trying to get Mailman, Apache2, Postfix working on Ubuntu LTS Server 8.04 for Internet
by Russell Christiansen Dec. 2, 2008

Dec. 2, 2008

OK. Someone and I have been attempting to get Mailman working under the ubuntu platform. I've recently installed the Apache2 Web Server, Postfix, and Maliman onto my machine. Presently, I'm using Ubuntu LTS Server 8.04, mostly due to the fact that I'm not sure that all this will work on a desktop configuration. I pretty much follow everything on the Ubuntu Server Guide in getting Apache2, Postfix, and Mailman working. Of course I configure Postfix to work with mailman, (tweaking the mm_cfg.py of course). The computer name I set on the installation was computerbroadcastnetwork, though I went inside the hosts and changed the "computerbroadcastnetwork" to "computerbroadcastnetwork.com" and set the local address to 127.0.0.1 instead of 127.0.1.1, hoping that would alleviate any problems. I can get the UI interface working somewhat on my own system, but not on external systems. When I try to create a new list, and type in my E-mail address to be notified, it will NOT send. OK here's the information: The host name should be "computerbroadcastnetwork.com" I don't think all the installation guides or anything are going to cut the mustard for me here. I need the best way to get Mailman working on my system, and to work correctly on the web. FYI, my network is a local LAN which uses DHCP. Do I need a DHCP3 server? I hope one of you can assist me in getting this working on my machine. It's been a real pain. - Russell Christiansen (rusty0918(a)comcast.net)

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when does logs/post get updated?
by Ricardo Kleemann Dec. 2, 2008

Dec. 2, 2008

Hi, I'm having some problems with my lists recently. I see in my mail log that "mailman post" has been called. However, when I look in the logs/post file, it's been almost 24 hours since anything has been written there. I'm running mailman on Ubuntu Hardy, and another weird thing is that whenever I stop mailman, it always leaves at least one process hanging around. I have to forcefully kill it. After I stop it, I still see: list 3833 0.0 0.4 83076 7540 ? Ss 08:29 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start list 3842 0.1 2.5 105372 38148 ? S 08:29 0:01 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s Even more strange when I reboot the machine, I'll see 2 entire sets of mailman processes, almost as if the mailman start had been called twice. In any case, right now it seems that mailman has stopped accepting posts. Is there a way to get more debug from mailman when "mailman post" is called? I don't see any errors, yet I don't see the post log file updating. Ricardo

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Administrivia intercept not working.
by Brad Rogers Dec. 1, 2008

Dec. 1, 2008

Hello All, I run a small mailing list which under version 2.1.11 of Mailman. A while ago, an unsubscribe message came to the list rather than be intercepted and acted upon. I thought nothing of it at the time, but a similar occurrence on another list (to which I subscribe but do not have admin priveleges) prompted me to look closer at my settings. Admin messages to the list are supposed to be intercepted, but for some reason, this one (actually, there were several from the same person) wasn't. Obviously something amiss. The other list runs under v2.1.9 of MM. I can forward copies of messages (with headers) if required so those of you more knowledgeable than me can see what's happening. Finally, I only have web access to my Mailman list settings (via cPanel) as the list is run by my domain provider's servers, not locally. Therefore, I can't alter code directly. What access the list owner of the second list has, I don't know. Thanks, in advance, for all assistance. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent"

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Mailman Site Admin email Problem
by Sean Murphy Dec. 1, 2008

Dec. 1, 2008

Mailman used to send me an email as the "site admin" that a new list has been created. I use the web interface to create new lists. This email had the aliases I needed to add to the /etc/mail/aliases file in the body of the email. I have upgraded Mailman months ago but didn't notice that I had not been receiving this until now as the lists were already setup. I know I can run the genaliases command to get the same output but I fear I am not seeing all of the mailman site admin email. Is the email sent from a python script to an alias? is it specified in a config file?

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Strange error with Mailman 2.1.9
by Richard Hartmann Dec. 1, 2008

Dec. 1, 2008

Hi all, I have this in my error log: Nov 27 09:53:19 2008 post(18252): Traceback (most recent call last): post(18252): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? post(18252): main() post(18252): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main post(18252): tolist=1, _plaintext=1) post(18252): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 137, in enqueue post(18252): os.fsync(fp.fileno()) post(18252): OSError : [Errno 5] Input/output error post(19319): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main post(19319): tolist=1, _plaintext=1) post(19319): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 137, in enqueue post(19319): os.fsync(fp.fileno()) post(19319): OSError : [Errno 5] Input/output error Nov 28 11:49:40 2008 post(927): Traceback (most recent call last): post(927): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 69, in ? post(927): main() post(927): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 64, in main post(927): tolist=1, _plaintext=1) post(927): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 137, in enqueue post(927): os.fsync(fp.fileno()) post(927): OSError : [Errno 5] Input/output error And my in looks like: ./in: total 3.4M -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 456K Nov 27 09:48 1227775710.928695+a44f4a2c5af5927c529c6c4a5589ab71759a1f86.pck.tmp -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 120K Nov 27 14:38 1227793170.26085+afbc8b7ceee95547b83dc3e69f055d67e53acb33.pck.tmp -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 16M Nov 28 11:43 1227861580.003396+d73b39bd22372e715d2d80786654ef362e65fae0.pck.tmp Things I checked are: 1) free disk space: more than enough 2) free inodes: more than enough 3) no SELinux or other security/restriction framework installed 4) bin/check_perms does not list any errors 5) other email is delivered Any other ideas what to check? Upgrading Mailmain is an option, but I would like to avoid that, if possible. Thanks for all feedback, Richard

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list tilts!!
by faisal anif Nov. 30, 2008

Nov. 30, 2008

hi, I have 5 lists, list1, list2, list3, list4, and list5.. all the lists are working fine except list4, when adding or removing members from list4 it just tilts and nothing happens.. either by MASS SUBSCRIBE, or MASS REMOVAL or using add_members or remove members via SSH it just holds and nothing happens even if I left it for 30 minutes.. nothing until I click Ctrl+C to return to the command line.. what could be the problem? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

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