Mailman 3 January 2009 - Mailman-Users

Python 2.2 and mailman > 2.1.9
by Sebastian Hagedorn Jan. 14, 2009

Jan. 14, 2009

Hi, on our production server we (still) run Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3. The most recent version of Python there is Python 2.2.3. Currently we run Mailman 2.1.9. I've built an RPM for Mailman 2.1.11 that we were planning on installing soon. However, we installed it on a test system and found this issue: Jan 14 16:10:28 2009 (3972) Uncaught runner exception: No module named sets Jan 14 16:10:28 2009 (3972) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 150, in _dopipeline __import__(modname) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CalcRecips.py", line 41, in ? from sets import Set as set ImportError: No module named sets The relevant source is this: # Use set for sibling list recipient calculation try: set except NameError: # Python2.3 from sets import Set as set It seems as though Python >= 2.4 has "set", Python 2.3 has "Set" as an import, but Python 2.2 has neither. The sibling feature was introduced with Mailman 2.1.10, so I guess that version would have the same issue. I don't recall having read anything about that. Does nobody else use such an old Python version? Anyway, is there a workaround for 2.2 or do we have to either install a separate Python or upgrade to RHEL 5 if we want to update Mailman? I know that Mailman 2.1.12 will require Python 2.4, but I had been hoping for one last update that supports 2.2 ... Thanks, Sebastian -- Sebastian Hagedorn - Listmaster - RZKR-R1 (Gebäude 52), Zimmer 18 Zentrum für angewandte Informatik - Universitätsweiter Service RRZK Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587

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Mailman installation on Solaris 10
by Hank van Cleef Jan. 14, 2009

Jan. 14, 2009

I'm beginning to replace the Mailman 2.1.9 installation on Solaris 9 Sparc, which has served us very well for the last two years. The new target machines are Sun Ultra 60's, one running Solaris 10-u4 (8/07) and the other, Solaris 10-u6 (10/08). All that is on either machine is a fresh install of Solaris (full install). While I've been through the drill of building and installing both Python and Mailman on Solaris before, I have a few obsrvations and questions. I went through the Mailman web page to find a download site. Going to Sourceforge offers only 2.12.rc1 unless you click "stable" on the first screen. I was unable to download either 2.1.11 or 2.1.12 from Sourceforge. That site links to Superb Hosting, which appears to be unresponsive. I had to get the software from the alternative GNU site. Both of the Solaris installs include Python 2.4.4. Whether the Solaris build is something resembling a full build or not, I don't know, but will soon find out unless someone has checked this out before me. In the past, getting anything resembling a full build of Python on Solaris has been a labor of love (porting the build scripts), and I'd prefer not to have to build and install another version of Python. I see Mark Sapiro's mail about incompatibility between 2.1.12rc1 and Python 2.4. My production installations have to have an archive search (not part of Mailman). In the past, we've used htDig 3.1.6, which is decidedly long in tooth, particularly as it requires gcc/g++ 2.95.3 to build (will not build with gcc 3 or above). For one installation, I'll filch the already-built binaries. However, I'll reopen the question of a better (and currently-maintained) search engine. I'm aware of a mail list discussing using Mhonarc and Mnogosearch, but nothing since the last posts to that site (early 2006). Is there something newer and better, or is doing the porting work needed to use Mnogosearch the best alternative available? One issue with the current 2.1.9 installation is performance while searching archives with htDig. We currently have 5gb of archives, and archive searches are very popular with our listers. I have picked up the patches for htDig->Mailman integration for 2.1.11 and assume I'm on my own for 2.1.12, for the present. Unless somebody tells me otherwise, I'll assume that I'm the first installing 2.1.12 on Solaris 10. That will go on the later (current rev) machine. Worth noting that on Solaris 10 10/08, it appears that sun has included the Studio 12 development system, with the c compiler in /usr/bin/cc. While our old nemesis, the BSD stub /usr/bin/cc is still there, a PATH that has /usr/bin before /usr/ucb should find a working cc. The config.pck files currently on the production system are for 2.1.9. If I build 2.1.11 and 2.1.12 as fresh builds and installs (no upgrade) and later copy my 2.1.9 config.pck files into them, will Mailman detect and correct the configuration? Any notes, comments, advice greatly appreciated. Hank

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Dumb question
by Rich Winkel Jan. 13, 2009

Jan. 13, 2009

I'm trying to set up an umbrella list and having some unexpected behavior even after reading the faq. Ok, I have alllist-bounces@x listed as a subscriber to sublist@x, with no mail and no moderation. I have USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes in my mm_cfg.py file. But when I post to alllist and the message is distributed, sublist holds the message and I receive a moderation message. What am I not getting :>? Thanks, Rich

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ? your solution of the problem by mailman: having two lists with the same name ..
by Jan Steinman Jan. 13, 2009

Jan. 13, 2009

> From: Barry Warsaw <barry(a)list.org> > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > >>> From: suleiman Espear <espear2000(a)hotmail.com> >>> >>> Can you tell me your experience with the problem of having two >>> lists with the same name under different virtual domains. >> >> Uhm, wait patiently for Mailman 3.0? > > Why not download and play with the alphas?! And Bob's your uncle! (I think the original poster may not be a native speaker of Queen's English -- that's an idiom that means, "It is as simple as having a relative with a common name." :-) :::: The record is clear that left to their own devices, the automobile manufacturers lack the wisdom or the will or both to switch decisively to the production of inexpensive, compact, energy-saving cars appropriate to our present needs. -- Donald E. Weeden, 1975 :::: :::: Jan Steinman http://www.VeggieVanGogh.com ::::

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ? your solution of the problem by mailman: having two lists with the same name ..
by Jan Steinman Jan. 13, 2009

Jan. 13, 2009

> From: suleiman Espear <espear2000(a)hotmail.com> > > Can you tell me your experience with the problem of having two lists > with the same name under different virtual domains. Uhm, wait patiently for Mailman 3.0? :::: Trusting Microsoft to protect your personal information is a bit too much like hiring Michael Jackson to baby-sit your kids. -- Robert X. Cringely :::: Jan Steinman "http://www.EcoReality.org"

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Sender and To Fields
by Brandon Martin Jan. 13, 2009

Jan. 13, 2009

Is there a way that I can remove the Sender field from the header all together? Also I was hoping that there was an option with mailman so instead of the mailing list showing in the TO: field if each person that recieves it has there email address in the TO: field so it looks like they were the only ones that received it? Thanks

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Customising Mailman
by Chris P F. Sheppard Jan. 13, 2009

Jan. 13, 2009

Hi Everybody Having read all I can about customising web pages for Mailman, I seem to have hit a brick wall when altering the login page to the mailing list archive. The webpage in question is simply htdig.html and on our Freebsd 7.0 system can be found at the following locations: /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/htdig.html /usr/local/mailman/templates/uk/htdig.html /usr/local/share/doc/htdig/html/htdig.html First of all I added the new page to /usr/local/mailman/lists/listname/en/htdig.html as I believe you can add list specific pages here. I then restarted qrunner as suggested in the mail FAQ for changing HTML pages http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action;jsessionid=aPKvCMP52-F4EdYUk7 ?pageId=4030605 No changes were visible so I then tried changing the htdig.html in the 3 locations mentioned at the begining, restarting qrunner each time as I went but all to no avail. Is this a page that you can't alter or am I missing something. Thanks for any help Chris Sheppard

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? your solution of the problem by mailman: having two lists with the same name ..
by suleiman Espear Jan. 13, 2009

Jan. 13, 2009

Hello mailman friends! Can you tell me your experience with the problem of having two lists with the same name under different virtual domains. What was your solution of that problem, was is it a good a simple one? nice day from aachen! espear _________________________________________________________________ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx

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[Mailman] Mailman Query: Subscription Date (fwd)
by hone+mailman＠oak.cats.ohiou.edu Jan. 12, 2009

Jan. 12, 2009

I received a question from one of our mailing list owners. Is there a way to see the dates of member subscriptions? If not, is there a way for the owner to receive an email when a new member joins the list? Below is the message from the owner, which may describe the question better. ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Mailman is, in almost every respect, a vast improvement on its predecessor. As it's currently set up, though, it appears that the list admin can't see the date on which members subscribed. Those of us who have subscription as a class requirement would like to be able to see whether a member subscribes prior to some deadline. Any chance I just missed this or that our configuration could have it added? ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Don Hone <http://edirectory.ohio.edu/?$search?uid=hone> Ohio University

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Mailman 2.x Roadmap
by Mark Sapiro Jan. 12, 2009

Jan. 12, 2009

Barry has been making wonderful progress with Mailman 3.0 and has just announced the second alpha release. This may leave some of you wondering what's happening with the Mailman 2.x series, so this note is for all interested Mailman users, developers and translators to give an idea of what to expect in Mailman 2.x in the coming months. Within the next few days, I plan to release Mailman 2.1.12rc1. This release contains several minor bug fixes since 2.1.11 and is updated for compatibility with Python 2.6. It will not work with Python older than 2.4. In the absence of "show stopping" bugs, the only changes between this and the final 2.1.12 release will be translation updates. I expect to release the final by the end of January. After January, my focus will be on Mailman 2.2. This branch was originally intended to be an overhaul of Mailman's GUI, but that work is stalled and will be deferred to Mailman 2.3 or 3.0. The focus of Mailman 2.2 will be ongoing maintenance of the 2.x series and several small new features that have not been added in the 2.1 branch because of i18n considerations. I hope to be able to release a 2.2 beta before the end of March, 2009. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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