Mailman 3 January 2010 - Mailman-Users

Private archive nightmare with vhosts
by UGSD 01 Feb '10

01 Feb '10

Hello, I work for a large university and was recently put in charge of consolidating a bunch of mailman lists from multiple domains onto 1 server. First problem that I encountered was the single namespace issue with virtual domains, so i removed the stock Mailman 2.1.12 that came with Ubuntu, downloaded Mailman 2.1.7 and patched it with mailman-2.1.7-release-to-vhost.patch from http://ndim.fedorapeople.org/stuff/mailman-vhost/. That went pretty smooth, compiled and installed without any major issues. put these in mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.dept.university.edu' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.dept.university.edu' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('lists.domain1.net', 'lists.domain1.net') add_virtualhost('lists.domain2.net', 'lists.domain2.net') POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain1.net', 'lists.domain2.net'] After that I setup Postfix, added a new list "test-list" which was automatically created in the right place - /path/to/mailman/lists/lists.domain1.net/test-list/ So no problem here. I subscribed to the list, confirmed the subscription and sent couple of test messages. Everything worked great. Next i went to browse the archives and encountered another problem. The URLs for the Public archives were not right, but I got around it with a simple Apache rewrite: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/pipermail/([a-z]+)\.(.*)?$ [NC] RewriteRule ^/pipermail/(.*)$ /pipermail/%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [R=301,L] Basically all it does is insert "lists.domainX.net" between /pipermail/ and /test-list/. Public archives are now working with http://lists.domain1.net/pipermail/lists.domain1.net/test-list/ Next I tried to test Private archives and this is where I hit the wall and need some help with. The listinfo page for my test-list showed that the URL for the private archives was http://lists.domain1.net/private/test-list, so i figured i would be able to fix it with the same rewrite rule that i used for the Public archives. However, because private CGI wrapper expects the list name right after /private/, this URL http://lists.domain1.net/private/lists.domain1.com/test-list/ did not work, and all i got was the error message saying that "list lists.domain1.net does not exist" Next, I changed my rewrite rule to redirect me to http://lists.domain1.com/private/test-list@lists.domain1.com instead RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/private/(.*)(a)(.*)?$ [NC] RewriteRule ^/private/(.*)/$ /private/$1@%{SERVER_NAME} [R=301,L] This redirected me to the login page and seemed to work great, until I tried to login and got hit with the message that "test-list" does not exist. After a little digging, I traced the problem to the incorrect html from action, private.py and private.html template file. With my very limited [read "non-existing"] Python knowledge I managed to pass some arguments to the private.html and change the form action from http://lists.domain1.com/private/test-list/ to http://lists.domain1.com/private/test-list@lists.domain1.com and was able to login, but now i got another error - "Private archive file not found". I looked at the log file and saw the following error message: Jan 26 09:31:18 2010 (21196) Private archive file not found: /path/to/mailman/archives/private/test-list(a)lists.domain1.net Just for the hell of it I decided to create a symbolic link and see if it will work ln -s /path/to/mailman/archives/private/lists.domain1.net/test-list /path/to/mailman/archives/private/test-list(a)lists.domain1.net This seemed to work and i was able to pull up the Private archive page, however all the links were missing "/private/test-list(a)lists.domain1.net" and looked like "http://lists.domain1.com/2010-January/" [this part is not really important right now. i guess i will deal with this problem later.] Now it looks like the "path" variable in private.py (line 70 or very close) is causing the issue: path = os.environ.get('PATH_INFO') According to the debug log my PATH_INFO is test-list(a)lists.domain1.net, so I figured I should be able to fix it like so: path = os.path.join(os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'), <LIST NAME HERE>) [ end result has to be "lists.domain1.net/test-list ] But i could not figure out how to pass the list name to os.path.join() and no matter what I did i either ended up with undeclared variable or some other related error. I really hope someone would be able to help me out here or point me in the right direction. Thank you in advance, - Igor

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language
by mattias 01 Feb '10

01 Feb '10

I run centos How to change to swedish in mailman DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE something

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Mailman bounce counters and delivery of spam
by Albert ARIBAUD 31 Jan '10

31 Jan '10

Hi all, I am subscribed to a list managed by... mailman. :) From time to time, spam makes it to the list and is thus distributed to list members. When this happens and the spam is delivered to my provider (free.fr), this provider rejects it by a "550 Spam detected" message -- which is fine because I don't receive the spam. But then mailman receives this 550 and erroneously concludes that something is wrong with my address, and increments my bounce counter. When spam comes in a "burst" (in practice that means one spam every two days for ten days) it triggers confirmation, and a "confirm ..." message is sent to me (this is how I found out there was an issue). I am a bit bothered by the fact that *I* am considered to have a problem with e-mail delivery by this mailman when in fact the issue is mailman delivering spam in the first place. Of course, there's no way to make entirely sure spam doesn't end up on a list. But is there a way (besides patching and recompiling) to let mailman know that 5xx (and possibly 4xx as well) rejects which mention spam should not cause an increase of the bounce counter? Thanks in advance! Amicalement, -- Albert.

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remove default attachments and Greek language support
by Γιάννης Σερβετάς 31 Jan '10

31 Jan '10

Hello, every time I send an attached file to my mailing list, the users that receive that e-mail, claim that there appear to be more than one attached files in the received message. Last time I tested it: I attached to the outgoing message 2 files. I received a message with the 2 attached files, but there had been attached 2 more files (with names "Part 1.2" and "Part 1.5"). 1. Is that possible to configure Mailman NOT TO attach by default extra files to the message? How should I do that? 2. I have written the header and footer text of the messages in greek language. Thus, the text appeared in the received messages displays something like "αυτό ε". In "Language Options", there doesn't seem to support Greek language. Are there any localizations available and how can i install them? Thank you in advance P.S.: I use Mailman 2.1.12.cp3

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ouytgoing mail header question...
by Russell Clemings 31 Jan '10

31 Jan '10

That looks like Exim, in which case I believe the explanation (complex) is here: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/spec_52.html#SECT52.1 rac ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > To: Doug Smith <dsrva(a)yahoo.com>, mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:37:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Ouytgoing mail header question... > Doug Smith wrote: > > > >When I look at the outgoing mail queue on my server when MailMan is in the > process of sending out one of it's messages, I see something akin to the > following in the header lines. > > > >----------------------------------- > >1NbOfW-0004fm-J9-H > >mailnull 47 12 > ><foobarlaus(a)domain.com> > >1264901526 0 > >-helo_name server.hostname.net > >-host_address 127.0.0.1.41150 > >-host_name localhost > >-interface_address 127.0.0.1.25 > >-ident mailman > >-received_protocol esmtp > >-body_linecount 58 > >-max_received_linelength 120 > >YY recipient(a)domain1.com > >YY recipient(a)domain2.com > >NN recipient(a)domain3.com > >YY recipient(a)domain4.com > >NY recipient(a)domain5.com > >----------------------------------- > > > >My question is, what do the Yes and No flags at the start of each > recipient line indicate? > > > This is a question for your MTA. If you are seeing the above as the > output of some command like 'mailq' or similar, consult its manpage or > other documentation. If it is the content of some file, consult the > MTA documentation for the format of that file. > > Just guessing, I'd say that one column of Y and N indicates whether the > message has been delivered to that recipient's MX. I have no guess as > to what the other column means > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > >

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spam from list-owner to own list
by Dennis Carr 31 Jan '10

31 Jan '10

Seem to be getting this a lot on ffml@here - spam comes from ffml-owner, but that address is not subscribed, so it bounces, and bombards six people with rejected spam. Is there a more elegant way to deal with this than add subscriber to a 'summarily discard all' rule? -Dennis

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Ouytgoing mail header question...
by Doug Smith 31 Jan '10

31 Jan '10

Hey folks I have no idea if this is a MailMan issue or a standard feature of any outgoing email with multiple recipients so please bear with me if it isn't even a MailMan issue... When I look at the outgoing mail queue on my server when MailMan is in the process of sending out one of it's messages, I see something akin to the following in the header lines. ----------------------------------- 1NbOfW-0004fm-J9-H mailnull 47 12 <foobarlaus(a)domain.com> 1264901526 0 -helo_name server.hostname.net -host_address 127.0.0.1.41150 -host_name localhost -interface_address 127.0.0.1.25 -ident mailman -received_protocol esmtp -body_linecount 58 -max_received_linelength 120 YY recipient(a)domain1.com YY recipient(a)domain2.com NN recipient(a)domain3.com YY recipient(a)domain4.com NY recipient(a)domain5.com ----------------------------------- My question is, what do the Yes and No flags at the start of each recipient line indicate? Thanks, DB

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Howto retrieve the date of list members subcribed to the list
by Danny hendrawan 30 Jan '10

30 Jan '10

Hi, I am running a "paid" mailman list for my community on a dedicated server (cpanel) - we provide member with our own email address to post message to the list. I'd like to retrieve the "date" when my list member got subscribed to my list. I am familiar with the following commands: /usr/mailman/bin/list_members -n byadmin listname /usr/mailman/bin/list_members -n bybounce listname /usr/mailman/bin/list_members -n byuser listname but "/usr/mailman/bin/list_members -n bydate listname" was not exist. Can anyone please help. Thanks in advance, Danny

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New mailing list moderation in cPanel ?
by John Fitzsimons 30 Jan '10

30 Jan '10

I just made a new mailing list. "Moderation" of posts seems to be set as the "default", but I am pretty sure that I didn't set that up anywhere. The member list doesn't show the moderation flag ticked. In the Privacy options I have "By default, should new list member postings be moderated? " set to "No". I am obviously missing something obvious. Would someone here please direct me to where member moderation is set/un set in cPanel please ? Thanks. Regards, John.

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Mailman with multiple domains
by Guy 29 Jan '10

29 Jan '10

Hi, I've got Mailman up and running and looks good, but I'm not sure about multiple domains. mm_cfg.py contains this section: POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.domain2.net'] add_virtualhost('lists.domain2.net', 'domain2.net') Mail sent to mailman(a)lists.domain1.net (the default URL and email hosts are lists.domain1.net) goes through fine, but mailman(a)lists.domain2.net disappear once they are passed to mailman by postfix. There is nothing in the mailman log files for the attempted delivery to lists.domain2.net. I'm using the Ubuntu Karmic package of Mailman which includes postfix-to-mailman.py, not sure if that effects this. I believe that mailing lists exist across all virtual domains listed? Is there any way to allow for the same mailing list on different domains with one instance of mailman? So I could have users(a)lists.domain1.net AND users(a)lists.domain2.net as two separate lists. Thanks Guy -- Don't just do something...sit there!

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