Mailman 3 October 2010 - Mailman-Users

Definition of get_site_email in Utils.py
by Sebastian Hagedorn Oct. 30, 2010

Oct. 30, 2010

Hi, we recently moved our Mailman server from a RHEL 3 machine running Mailman 2.1.9 to a RHEL 5 system running Mailman 2.1.14. Everything went very smoothly, but today I noticed one small issue. For various reasons we use 'lists.uni-koeln.de' as URL_HOST, but as EMAIL_HOST we use 'uni-koeln.de'. So the address for the sitelist is mailman(a)uni-koeln.de. On the old system we were able to receive mail for @lists.uni-koeln.de addresses as well, but on the new system we can't. But the listinfo CGI uses mailman(a)lists.uni-koeln.de as the site address. I checked out the code, but didn't really understand it – I'm more of a Perl guy ;) def get_site_email(hostname=None, extra=None): if hostname is None: hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain()) if extra is None: return '%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, hostname) return '%s-%s@%s' % (mm_cfg.MAILMAN_SITE_LIST, extra, hostname) Shouldn't that use the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST instead? I fixed our specific problem by hardcoding the return value, but it seems to me that could be a more general issue ... Thanks, Sebastian -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Gebäude 52), Zimmer 18.:. .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:. .:.Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - ✆ +49-221-478-5587.:.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] An Anonymous, No-reply List
by b19141＠anl.gov Oct. 29, 2010

Oct. 29, 2010

Barry Finkel wrote: >>I have a customer who wants a announce-only list. She does not want >>any replies to the list or to the poster. >> >>In production we are running 2.1.13, and I have 2.1.14 on my test >>machine. We made the list anonymous >> >> anonymous_list = yes Mark Sapiro replied: >Why, Is this needed or is it just an attempt to make replies not go to >the poster? This is a mailing to a club membership, and is for announcements only. The one or two people who will do the monthly postings do not want to get replies sent to their mailboxes, and they do not want replies sent back to the list. They have changed the list footer to read: All mail/replies should be sent to <xxx>. where "<xxx>" is another list for the club officers where anyone can post. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 240, Room 5.B.8 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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API version 1012-module hangul 1011 runtime error
by Williams, Theona Oct. 29, 2010

Oct. 29, 2010

Hi, The server on which Mailman was installed was upgraded from Linux 3 to 4 to 5 (32 bit). Mailman no longer works on this server. I am receiving the error: /u004/mailman/pythonlib/korean/hangul.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C API versio n mismatch for module hangul: This Python has API version 1012, module hangul ha s version 1011. from korean.c.hangul import * Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mailmanctl", line 548, in ? main() File "./mailmanctl", line 367, in main check_for_site_list() File "./mailmanctl", line 277, in check_for_site_list sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0) File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/u004/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 595, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/u004/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck How do I go about resolving this problem? I am running Mailman version 2.1.9. Currently, Python 2.4.3 is on the server but I believe Mailman was originally built with a lower version of Python. Thanks, Theona

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An Anonymous, No-reply List
by b19141＠anl.gov Oct. 29, 2010

Oct. 29, 2010

I have a customer who wants a announce-only list. She does not want any replies to the list or to the poster. In production we are running 2.1.13, and I have 2.1.14 on my test machine. We made the list anonymous anonymous_list = yes and the resulting mail from the list has a header line: Reply-To: LISTNAME@nodename so all replies go back to the list. I tried reply_goes_to_list - Explicit address reply_to_address: user(a)example.com and the resulting mail from the list has a header line: Reply-To: user(a)example.com, LISTNAME@nodename This results in replies going to both the list and to the explicit address. What I want is either a) no "Reply-To:" line in the RFC 5322 mail header (With no sender info nor reply info, I have no idea the address to which an MUA will direct any reply.) or b) Reply-To: user(a)example.com Is this possible? If not, then we will have to set member_moderation_action = Reject member_moderation_notice = Some polite text - This is an outbound list only. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 240, Room 5.B.8 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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Follow up to a Lock problem.
by Llewellyn Curran Oct. 28, 2010

Oct. 28, 2010

Hi All, I've summarized my issue below, and I would like to say I have around 215K subscribers on a Dedicated Server With a Quad Xeon CPU and 4GB's Ram. Most notably Mailman chews up around 2GB's+ of Ram but completely max's my CPU usage in top on CentOS. Python runs about 98% to 100% - I suspect this is from a mail drop going on however it doesn't explain below. Please read on. Mailman Version: 2.1.9 Symptoms: I had an issue a month or so ago where my web interface on " http://mysite.com/mailman/admin/mylist" would lock up on login, and I couldnt access that list. The other lists I could access no problems. I was guided to the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/noA9> by Mark S. and that temporarily relieved the problem. I find now that I have to completely delete my locks everytime I want to go to a new location in the admin interface. I have included some errors from the locks log below. Can you assist me? Errors: [root@x mailman]# tail -50 /var/log/mailman/locks Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT) Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 161, in Lock Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) self.__lock.lock(timeout) Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 287, in lock Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) self.__linkcount(), important=True) Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 416, in __writelog Oct 26 21:13:56 2010 (17763) traceback.print_stack(file=logf) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) xlt.lock unexpected linkcount: 1 Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in ? Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) main() Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) qrunner.run() Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 71, in run Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) filecnt = self._oneloop() Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) self._onefile(msg, msgdata) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 161, in Lock Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) self.__lock.lock(timeout) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 287, in lock Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) self.__linkcount(), important=True) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 416, in __writelog Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) traceback.print_stack(file=logf) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) xlt.lock unexpected linkcount: 1 Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in ? Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) main() Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) qrunner.run() Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 71, in run Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) filecnt = self._oneloop() Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, in _oneloop Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) self._onefile(msg, msgdata) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, in _onefile Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/VirginRunner.py", line 38, in _dispose Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) return IncomingRunner._dispose(self, mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 115, in _dispose Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) mlist.Lock(timeout=mm_cfg.LIST_LOCK_TIMEOUT) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 161, in Lock Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) self.__lock.lock(timeout) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 287, in lock Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) self.__linkcount(), important=True) Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 416, in __writelog Oct 26 21:13:58 2010 (17763) traceback.print_stack(file=logf) [root@x mailman]# -- Llewellyn G.S. Curran

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Archives! Two neat demos from my GSoC students
by Terri Oda Oct. 26, 2010

Oct. 26, 2010

As some of you may know, Mailman had a bunch of Google Summer of Code students working on our codebase via Systers, which hired students to do improvements on their Mailman-based list infrastructure. I was mentoring for the project which worked on the archives, where we had two students, Yian Shang who worked on the web interface for the archives, and Priya Iyer who worked on integrating search. They've produced some great demos that you all need to see, and some code that I'd really like to see integrated into Mailman 3. I was going to forward their final summaries to the lists, but since they're quite long, here's the things I'd like you all to check out first and foremost. There's two neat demos here! #1: Yian's been working on a variety of UI infrastructure improvements (note that in this case, she's working at the code to support the UI, not the graphics and theming, so this may not *look* fancy but it *behaves* really well) Her threaded conversation demo is here: http://dev.systers.org/pipermail/testing/all/conversation-3.html and note that you can actually click through and read messages there, so try poking around those archives and see how you like them! And you might be interested in hearing about the use cases that went into threading and quote detection that made that demo possible. Many of you may have answered the surveys I sent out on her behalf which were used to generate these use cases! She's got a whole series of posts on it, but here's one of interest: http://movicont.nfshost.com/blog/mailman-archives-ui-added-automatically-de… #2: Priya's search demo is here: http://lists.priyakuber.in/cgi-bin/mailman/mailocate/search.py She'd originally hoped to find and integrate an existing search package, but licensing proved to be an issue for upstream contribution, so she wound up implementing her own. You can search a string, a phrase, wildcard searches with *, by author, by subject, and using some basic operators (AND OR NOT all work). It's got a basic spell check, though she expects that will need to be improved. The documentation is here: http://systers.org/systers-dev/doku.php/doumentation-priya And the code is here: http://github.com/beachbrake/Mailocate/tree/master/demo/ ----- I've cc'ed mailman-users on this email since many people there contributed to the surveys we used to develop use-cases, but follow-ups should probably go to mailman-developers! Terri

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one line command to change generic_nonmember_action
by Syn, Joonho Oct. 25, 2010

Oct. 25, 2010

I'm writing a simplified mailman dashboard page for my company's internal use and one of the functions we want is to be able to toggle the generic_nonmember_action for any given list. Has anyone out there devised a one line command which will allow this?

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Auto-generating messages "to the list", instead of "to the member"
by Mike Maughan Oct. 25, 2010

Oct. 25, 2010

Afternoon all, Amongst others I run a mailman list for our family history society (The Maughan Society) and like many such lists we get quite a lot of new members "dropping in" with a specific query then "dropping out" again once they have that specific question answered. Our community aims to keep interested members and to grow in numbers, so one specific moderation task has been to post a "welcome to new member xxxxx" message to the list to draw the new member in to discuss their interests and hopefully to become engaged with the community. So far, this has been an entirely manual task but has suffered at times as I and the other moderators are getting on a bit and periodically go offline with one medical complication or another. This can mean that the potential member has gotten bored and moved on if we haven't responded within the magic 3-day period. Is there any way I can set up MM to send predefined posts to the list (as opposed to direct to the poster) on receipt of various triggers? Also on a related note, is there a way to default MM to put all new members on moderation by default, perhaps until they have made nn posts? Regards, Mike

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trouble
by mattias Oct. 25, 2010

Oct. 25, 2010

Have run a mailman install on my centos 5.5 server Installed from centos repo I have added MTA = 'Postfix' to mm_cfg.py But the aliases don't go to the aliases file So posting to my lists not work

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A rare moment
by Mark J Bradakis Oct. 25, 2010

Oct. 25, 2010

I've been running various automotive related mailing lists, web pages, FTP sites and such for over twenty years. It is a labor of love, not a means of making money, so tending to outstanding requests is not top priority. But I've had a nasty cold the last few days, and have spent some time working on Team.Net since I can't do much else besides sit at the computer, sniffle and cough. With 60 or so lists and 12,000+ subscribers around the globe it is easy to get behind. I've seen 10,000 or more held messages at times. Today, though: autox /local/mailman/teamnet/data 131 :: ls held* ls: No match. This could be the first time in many years I have *no* outstanding requests to deal with. Sweet. mjb.

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