Mailman 3 August 2020 - Mailman-Users

Problem with unsubscribe from host with tor node
by Konrad Wawryn 30 Aug '20

30 Aug '20

Hi, I would like to unsubscribe that list but it seems that Your MX which hosting mailman-users(a)pythong.org is not Tor friendly. Im getting confirmation from Your host, that my unsubscribe e-mail has been rejected - because it looks like spam. Also I`m not able to do it using website provided in Your E-mail footer. IP of my server is blacklisted by primitive BL pyzor.org - because its part of the tor network. Please remove by address from Your list and be more TOR friendly if possible. Cheers Konrad -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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google/gmail issues
by Jeffrey Westgate 25 Aug '20

25 Aug '20

We run a list of our mailman listserver that our public school sysadmins use to share info. The problem is - a lot of them have become Google schools, and Google has a problem with list servers. Each post winds up going to multiple Google mail domains, and they bounce: stat=Deferred: 451-4.3.0 Multiple destination domains per transaction is unsupported. meaning the emails are queued, sometimes for quite a while, as the system sends each domain, one attempt (and one mess of deferrals) at a time. Is there a setting I can change or add that would allow mailman to kind of bundle each domain, open a thread, and send one-thread-per-domain or one-domain-per-thread to alleviate the issue? We are a bit behind, using Mailman version: 2.1.20 -- Jeff

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Fwd: Mailman error.
by Soporte Syscomed 25 Aug '20

25 Aug '20

Good morning. Today, when I tried to access Mailman, I obtained the following error: --------------------------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version <undetermined> We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. ---------------------------------------------- I have checked the logs and they have no information. I have checked mailman status and it's active and also have checked the permissions and they're right. It still doesn't work and I have no idea of what to do. Can you help me please? Thank you. -- Iván Molina Pastor. C/Perú, 5-1, Edificio FORUM II, of. 3.9 Polígono . Ind. Oeste 30820 - Alcantarilla (Murcia) Telf: +34 968 351 364 INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS Sistemas y Control del Mediterráneo SL como Responsable del Tratamiento, con domicilio C/ Perú, nº 5- Edif. Forum II, 3ª planta oficina 9. P.I.Oeste- 30820 Alcantarilla-Murcia. Telf. 968351364 Mail: info(a)syscomed.es CIF. B73503914. Le informa que trata sus datos para la finalidad de gestionar relación comercial, con la base jurídica de nuestra relación comercial. Sus datos se conservarán todo el tiempo que dure nuestra relación, o se puedan derivar responsabilidades de la prestación de servicios. No se realizan cesiones, excepto por obligación legal. Para ejercer sus derechos de acceso, rectificación, supresión, portabilidad de sus datos, limitación u oposición al tratamiento de sus datos, puede hacerlo dirigiéndose a Sistemas y Control del Mediterráneo SL en la dirección arriba indicada, adjuntando documento que acredite su identidad, o interponer reclamación ante la Autoridad de Control. Más info: www.syscomed.es

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forbidding subscriptions to a list
by Lucio Chiappetti 21 Aug '20

21 Aug '20

I am maintaining a list on mailman 2.1.18 on a server I have no control (actually it is some 1000's km from here). The list is absolutely closed, reserved to a committee with a small membership which is updated, if any, every severl years. In the last days the list is receiving subscription requests from odd addresses, apparently in couples. When I found two of them yesterday, I rejected them with a notice "list usage reserved ....". Today I found a mail announcing two further requests, and when I entered the administrative interface found two more. I would like to close completely the list from subscription requests (so that they can be inserted only by the administrators). I thought to set ban_list ^.*@.* Is there any other better option ? Will the ban_list interfere with existing subscriptions ? (sent in Bcc to the other list maintainers) -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html

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Using prune_arch on mailman v. 2.1.26
by Andy Cravens 11 Aug '20

11 Aug '20

Using mailman 2.1.26. I have one particular list that has a 3G mbox file and an 8G private archive directory. I was going to use prune_arch to remove any archives over a year old. I think the archives go back over ten years. This particular list server has two cpus (@2.5GHz) but not sure how fast the disk is. This server is typically more than 90% idle at any time. Maybe a few bursts of activity on large lists every now and then. I have three questions: First, If I run the prune_arch command to remove archives older than a year, is this going to take minutes, hours or days to complete? In one post Mark Sapiro states that prune_arch locks the list while updating the LISTNAME.mbox so other processes won’t be updating concurrently. Then the list is again locked by the bin/arch process while the HTML archive is being regenerated. If this list is used on an hourly basis and the list is “locked” this could be problematic for us. Second, Our disk space is getting low and that is why we are cleaning up the archives. Is the prune_arch command going to be temporarily generating more files and taking up more space in order to process the list archives? If so I’ll have to make sure we have enough disk space to run prune_arch. I would like to schedule the prune_arch command as a cron job to run against several lists. I have looked at prune_arch before and I found some earlier posts that detailed how to prune the archives and there were more instructions that just running the prune_arch command. I cannot locate those old posts now. I should have bookmarked them. Is this all I need to do, just run prune_arch against the list and slap it in cron? Thank you for any info you can provide. — Andy

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Fw: Re: Re: Deleting List swimc.org
by Las Vegas Community of Christ 10 Aug '20

10 Aug '20

Hi Mark, I had sent this on the 2nd. Try again. Mike ------ Forwarded Message -------- From: Las Vegas Community of Christ <cofchristlv(a)cox.net> Date: 8/2/2020 9:09:13 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Deleting List swimc.org To: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Hi Mark, After some time I finally did figure out the role newqwestmailman and I did go to them. After much study they said that my email address indicated that I was the Admin for a domain swimc.org. They said swimc.org is registered with Gate, that it had an active Mailman and that if I wasn't using it I would have to delete the Mailman. And that is what I've been trying to do with no luck. Swimc.org is a dead function. None of it is needed. Here is a bouncing email source and anything you can do to help me get rid of this would be super: ============ Return-Path: <mailman-bounces(a)newqwestmailman.siteprotect.com> Delivered-To: 3@5395690 Received: from imap-director-139.dovecot.iad.rs.oxcs.net ([10.12.5.139]) by imap-backend-133.dovecot.iad.rs.oxcs.net with LMTP id eMCVBAEUJF9LZAAABqg8dQ (envelope-from <mailman-bounces(a)newqwestmailman.siteprotect.com>) for <3@5395690>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:52:17 +0000 Received: from mx.cox.rs.oxcs.net ([10.12.2.6]) by imap-director-139.dovecot.iad.rs.oxcs.net with LMTP id IGxgBAEUJF/SWgAADbfQuw (envelope-from <mailman-bounces(a)newqwestmailman.siteprotect.com>) for <3(a)5395690.contexts.internal.oxcs.net>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:52:17 +0000 Received: from cxr-ibgw-6008a.stratus.cloudmark.com (cox.imta.a.cloudfilter.net [35.162.41.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.cox.rs.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BJ6cc61mRz4xRvF for <cofchristlv(a)cox.net>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailman00.onr.siteprotect.com ([64.26.28.42]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 1UWEkiuWNjy5E1UWFkykeh; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:52:16 +0000 X-CX-ORIG-RCPT: cofchristlv(a)cox.net X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=Mv7sV0We c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=5f241400 cx=a_idp_c a=72fPwdrmFHZKwN+9t0bnug==:117 a=72fPwdrmFHZKwN+9t0bnug==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=_RQrkK6FrEwA:10 a=5KLPUuaC_9wA:10 a=KCfLzHvQAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=aIqlwdAn--bAeEAoq4QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=sqYTdDuE2qPG1eZmELMJ:22 a=qrIFiuKZe2vaD64auk6j:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=n87TN5wuljxrRezIQYnT:22 Received: from mailman00.qwest.chicago.hostway (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailman00.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEC461E35B; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:00:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailman00.qwest.chicago.hostway (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailman00.onr.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162FF61E31D for <swimcemaillist-owner(a)lists.swimc.org>; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:00:07 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: =?utf-8?q?3_SwIMCeMailList_moderator_request=28s=29_waiting?= From: swimcemaillist-bounces(a)lists.swimc.org To: swimcemaillist-owner(a)lists.swimc.org Message-ID: <mailman.103.1596200405.8873.swimcemaillist(a)lists.swimc.org> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:00:05 -0500 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: swimcemaillist(a)lists.swimc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 List-Id: <swimcemaillist.lists.swimc.org> X-List-Administrivia: yes Errors-To: mailman-bounces(a)newqwestmailman.siteprotect.com Sender: "SwIMCeMailList" <mailman-bounces(a)newqwestmailman.siteprotect.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfALof+AbJTHFkrawjPDvjcvFW4juHOIJKfR/proGVcdI37jp3M2ZU5hCiw+6R3x3W97X311c1Q3NuZ+tlFSJUBecozkWf3pcYkw0WEqJ2pMyKJDEf8AL DT1Jg4lEy4WOSFacZD674XEg9rGF6Qpn59jFyMUsNOjVBRAO4FP9lsuIGl2aQMV+++e6QmK8MAL9H6HdUDMHdX2aoiDtccInsYodbnHMArZ8LPOOH106usJB 8hgPMbMCkUXvL/4K58Qr3g== VGhlIFN3SU1DZU1haWxMaXN0QGxpc3RzLnN3aW1jLm9yZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QgaGFzIDMgcmVx dWVzdChzKQp3YWl0aW5nIGZvciB5b3VyIGNvbnNpZGVyYXRpb24gYXQ6CgoJaHR0cDovL2xpc3Rz LnN3aW1jLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2FkbWluZGIvc3dpbWNlbWFpbGxpc3QKCQpQbGVhc2UgYXR0ZW5k IHRvIHRoaXMgYXQgeW91ciBlYXJsaWVzdCBjb252ZW5pZW5jZS4gIFRoaXMgbm90aWNlIG9mCnBl bmRpbmcgcmVxdWVzdHMsIGlmIGFueSwgd2lsbCBiZSBzZW50IG91dCBkYWlseS4KCgpQZW5kaW5n IHBvc3RzOgpGcm9tOiBqdWRpbm9AY294Lm5ldCBvbiBTdW4gT2N0ICA1IDA5OjA3OjIzIDIwMTQK U3ViamVjdDogTGV1a2VtaWEgJiBMeW1waG9tYSBTb2NpZXR5IExpZ2h0IFRoZSBOaWdodCBXYWxr CkNhdXNlOiBQb3N0IHRvIG1vZGVyYXRlZCBsaXN0CgpGcm9tOiBhcHBsZWlkQGlkLmFwcGxlLmNv bSBvbiBNb24gTWFyIDIxIDA0OjA4OjU1IDIwMTYKU3ViamVjdDogQWNjb3VudCBTdXNwZW5kZWQK Q2F1c2U6IFBvc3QgYnkgbm9uLW1lbWJlciB0byBhIG1lbWJlcnMtb25seSBsaXN0CgpGcm9tOiBw YXlyb2xsbWFuYWdlbWVudGNvcnBAZ21haWwuY29tIG9uIEZyaSBBcHIgIDEgMDM6MDA6NTcgMjAx NgpTdWJqZWN0OiBJbW1lZGlhdGUgSGlyaW5nIC1QYXlyb2xsIENvb3JkaW5hdG9yIChBUCBDbGVy aykKQ2F1c2U6IFBvc3QgYnkgbm9uLW1lbWJlciB0byBhIG1lbWJlcnMtb25seSBsaXN0Cg== On 8/2/2020 8:11:59 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 8/1/20 10:10 AM, Las Vegas Community of Christ wrote: > Many years ago I was admin to a list. It hasn't been used in all those years except for bouncing emails which are coming to my email address and although I have them blocked it is still a nusiance to clean the block folder several times a month. I no longer know how to do anything with mailman. ... > After failing with Mailman I did get into a chat with the newqwestmailman server people who said I need to delete the Mailman and that it is under domain name swimc.org and that my email address showed I was Admin. So I went back online again to try and do that. Everything I understand fails and everything else I don't understand. > I just want to delete Mailman eMail List swimc.org. Can anyone show me a simple way to do that. Please see this article It is the server admins that have to help you with this, i.e. the "newqwestmailman server people". If they are unable or unwilling to help, please forward one of these "bouncing emails" in it's entirety so we can see all of the message headers which will give us more information to be able to help. Alternatively, if this is by chance a cPanel managed server, can you log in to your control panel? If so, there should be a Mailman section there from which you can delete the list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/

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How get UTF-8 in web interface
by Johannes Rohr 09 Aug '20

09 Aug '20

Dear all, I am looking for a way to ensure that everything is in proper UTF-8 in the web interface Specifically, my problem is that messages from gettext for German are inserted in ISO-8859-1 while for other languages I have tested, including Norwegian and Russian, mailman seems to generate proper UTF-8, even without explicitly enabling UTF-8 in mm_cfg.py. As an example, take https://lists.uferwerk.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/huehner "Um frühere Nachrichten an diese Liste zu sehen, besuchen Sie bitte das Archiv der Liste Huehner <https://lists.uferwerk.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/huehner/>. (/Das aktuelle Archiv ist nur f�r die Abonnenten der Liste zug�nglich./)" When I inspect the source code of the German page, I see that part of the umlauts are properly encoded as html entities such as ü, ä and others are not, they are plain ISO-8819-1 and thusly get screwed up, when the browser interprets the page as UTF-8. They seem to be inserted on-the-fly by the python interpreter, from /var/lib/mailman/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po and I notice that /var/lib/mailman/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po is in ISO-8859-1, not in UTF-8. In mm_cfg.py I have done what the manual recommends <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.90%20My%20list%27s%20moderator%20interface%20an….>. Without it, the message strings get rendered correctly, while the list descriptions from the configuration, which are apparently in UTF-8 get rendered as two letter strings: "*Huehner -- Liste fÃ¼r alle HÃ¼hner-Eltern im Uferwerk".* Can someone maybe tell me what I can do to reconcile this apparent mismatch? Thanks so much in advance, Johannes * *

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Deleting List swimc.org
by Las Vegas Community of Christ 09 Aug '20

09 Aug '20

Many years ago I was admin to a list. It hasn't been used in all those years except for bouncing emails which are coming to my email address and although I have them blocked it is still a nusiance to clean the block folder several times a month. I no longer know how to do anything with mailman. I have tried to delete the list but don't know how and all the online helps talk in a language I just don't understand. I just want to delete the list. Simple as that. After failing with Mailman I did get into a chat with the newqwestmailman server people who said I need to delete the Mailman and that it is under domain name swimc.org and that my email address showed I was Admin. So I went back online again to try and do that. Everything I understand fails and everything else I don't understand. I just want to delete Mailman eMail List swimc.org. Can anyone show me a simple way to do that. Sincerely, Michael Peterson

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fixing URLs...
by Keith Seyffarth 06 Aug '20

06 Aug '20

I have a list for a community service club, and something happened on the server (probably related to a container software upgrade) the end result of which is that many URLs in the admin area, particularly for the archives and for the form submission buttons, have changed from the club's domain to the internal configuration name for the server. This results in many links and buttons generating 404 errors for users... I believe the command that needs to be run to correct this is: $prefix/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname -u list_web_domain which I found at https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.27%20Securing%20Mailman%27s%20web%20GUI%20by%20… I have been able to figure out what "prefix" is on this server, but what is the format for "list_web_domain?" Is is http://lists.[clubs'sdomain].tld/ or is is just [club'sdomain].tld - or is it something else? Thanks, Keith

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Suppressing Headers in bounced posts
by Odhiambo Washington 04 Aug '20

04 Aug '20

Hi, I am wondering at what level this can be changed. I have a server - lists.domain1.name. This is the primary hostname. I have a list - saseni(a)lists.domain2.name which I am hosting on this server. Take for example in this obfuscated bounce below: <cut> mailman(a)lists.domain2.name via lists.domain1.net <===================== removing/changing this *via .....* 08:55 (31 minutes ago) to saseni-owner This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: saseni Member: xxxx.yyy(a)minbuza.nl Action: Subscription bounce score incremented. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. The triggering bounce notice is attached below. Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mailman(a)lists.domain2.name ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)lists.domain1.name> <============ changing this... To: saseni-bounces+xxxx.yyy=minbuza.nl(a)lists.domain2.name Cc: Bcc: Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 08:38:44 +0300 Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: </cut> Is there a way to completely change all occurrences of domain1.net with domain2.net whenever a bounce is generated from saseni(a)lists.domain2.name ?? Is there a way to specify the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST on a per list basis? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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