Mailman 3 July 2023 - Mailman-Users

Oops, key typo! ... Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, please?
by Richard＠KarmannGhia.org 18 Jul '23

18 Jul '23

Hi, sorry for this typo I made... I implied my complaints are with MailMan 2, and I wasn't thrilled with some changes but it's MM3 that's the headache. I'd be happy to go back to say, how it was in 2019 or something like that. What, v 2.1.28 or some such. I just want to be able to have something I can actuall MANAGE from the command line without having to learn a friggen programming language. All I have to do is SIMPLE BASIC STUFF, like, you know, create lists, add people to them and so forth! And I'd like to avoid use of containers and other noise that I have absolutely NO use for (other than mailman). Thanks, Richard On Mon, 17 Jul 2023, Richard(a)KarmannGhia.org wrote: > > Hi All, > > I used to use plain-ole mailman, WAY back in the '90s, BEFORE mailman2 and > LONG before mailman3... And I sure wish mailman2 had been done by people who > had a sense for the challenges for normal non-developer system managers to > deal with the software they actually developed. I'm sure it's fine if you're > already a Django programmer and use "containers" all the time, but I'm not a > Django fanboy, don't ever care to be, and think the idea of containers is > inappropriate technology for a hell of a lot of use-cases, especially a > small, self-run, no-budget installation. > > But maybe the worst is that the developers of that stuff can't be bothered > to create a wrapper so you've got ONE consistent way to do things from the > command line?! WTF?! What the he... OK, no reason to get into a rant. Ya > know, I tried it, gave it a fair attempt, and given my experience, if I > wrote what I think of it here, I might get banned! > > So, I'm done with it and want to go back to the old stuff. I'll happily > build from source, etc. But my simplistic web searches haven't returned > results and I'm afraid I didn't keep great records about it back when since > it was just a part of my Fedora package system! > > So, any pointers for this long-in-the-tooth Fedora Sys Admin? > > Thanks folks, > Richard > > (from somewhere in San Franciso's east bay area...)

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moderation queue and member list management weirdness
by Hoover Chan 18 Jul '23

18 Jul '23

I hope you all are having a good weekend. I'm running a GNU Mailman 2.1 instance under CentOS and am seeing some behaviors I've never seen before. A moderated mailing list where I see items in the moderation queue but nothing happens after I select the actions to be taken (defer, approve, delete) and then execute. For the same list, I can see the first page of the member list but can't search for members. What makes is odd is that I have a couple of other mailing lists on the same server with similar configurations where all is working as expected. Any suggestions for where I might look? Thanks in advance. - Hoover Chan <hoover.chan(a)gmail.com>

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Can Mailman 2 run on Debian 12?
by Thomas Gramstad 17 Jul '23

17 Jul '23

We are running Mailman 2.1.29 on Debian 10. I'm told that there will soon be an upgrade to Debian 12, and that Mailman 2 can't run on Debian 12. Is there a way to continue to use Mailman 2 even after the upgrade to Debian 12? We are running quite a few mailing lists here, so it would be a rather big job changing them all to Mailman 3. Thomas Gramstad

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Migrating Python Italia mailing lists here
by Patrick Arminio 11 Jul '23

11 Jul '23

Hi there, sorry if this is not the right place for this :) We have a very old server with mailman 2 for Python Italia, we've been thinking of moving our email server to google apps, but my inexperience with mailman is holding us down 😊 I was wondering if instead of using maintaining a mailman server (and migrate to v3) we could migrate our lists here. Is this something that could be done? what's the process? Thanks 😊

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Mailman 2.1.15 doesn't allow admin changes on private lists
by Charles Buckley 07 Jul '23

07 Jul '23

I run three Mailman lists on my web server, one browsable and two non-browsable. I wanted to eliminate the footer that gets added to the bottom of messages distributed by one of the private (non-browsable) lists. When I tried to do this, I would browse to the admin non-digest page, delete the contents of the Footer field, and hit "Submit my changes". This would send me to a login for admin privileges of the list in question. I would log back in, only to find myself on the page I had just modified, but the modification I made did not take place. I experimented with this a bit, and found that I could eliminate the footer on my public (browsable) list on the same server. So I tried converting my other private (non-browsable) list to be browsable, at which point I could eliminate the footer, and then switch the list back to being non-browsable. But once I tried to implement the workaround on the non-browsable list I wanted to change, I got the same defective behaviour when trying to switch the list to be browsable -- I would get redirected to the admin login page for the list in question, log in successfully, only to come back and find myself on the same privacy page, with no changes having been made. I saw a report of this behaviour on this mailing list from the year 2000. It is still going on now in 2023. One would think that some information on how to workaround this bug would have been found between now and back then. Note that, when I am able to successfully change a setting, I am never sent back to the list admin login page. I have also posted this as a bug via the Mailman launchpad. This behaviour appears to be browser-independent; I have tried it on Firefox, Chrome, and Edge. Any advice would be appreciated. Charles Buckley

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