Mailman 3 May 1999 - Mailman-Users

Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc.
by Ian Jackson May 17, 1999

May 17, 1999

I'd like to be able to get Mailman to deliver mail other than via SMTP-over-TCP. This is because I want to give the MTA (Exim) a special delivery mode option which I've found greatly improves SMTP connection reuse and general efficiency. I'd also like to avoid ident lookups etc. I can see roughly two ways to do this: 1. Provide my own version of TrySMTPDelivery which calls /usr/sbin/sendmail (really Exim) with appropriate options. 2. Somehow get Python's smtplib to use sendmail -bs (and pass appropriate options to sendmail). 1 is easy to write; 2 looks somewhat harder without modifying both Python's smtplib and Mailman, and even then I have to do the 822 address parsing by hand[1]. However, I want to do 1 in a way that will get my patch accepted, so that I don't have to maintain the variant. I also want it to be configurable at runtime, of course. So, what would be the canonical Python or Mailman way of doing this ? Enclose the body of TrySMTPDelivery in a big `if' ? Move the body into a new function and turn TrySMTPDelivery into a layer of indirection ? Is such a change likely to be accepted in any case, or will I have to maintain a local version (which means I'll try for the patch with the lowest changed-lines-count) ? Ian. [1] Or read the source for Python's rfc822 module to find out whether it does dequoting right and what the output quoting conventions are - and even then I have to do 821 quoting myself.

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Uncaught list.remove error on posting
by ijackson＠chiark.greenend.org.uk May 17, 1999

May 17, 1999

One of the subscribers to one of my lists turned off mail delivery and also set `not metoo'. This caused the error below. (I've mangled the DNS domain names in the message below to stop the subscriber and/or the list submission address getting spammed.) Ian. From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM> To: owner-mailman(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM Subject: Mail delivery failed Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:37 +0100 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message sent by <bjh21(a)DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: userv-discuss(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM: generated |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post userv-discuss The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post userv-discuss ------ Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? current_list.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1236, in Post recipients.remove(self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(sender)) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <bjh21(a)DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> Received: from ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM [131.111.8.6] (cusexim) by chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10jLWY-0005UC-00 (Debian); Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:34 +0100 Received: from bjh21 (helo=localhost) by ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM with local-smtp (Exim 3.00 #1) id 10jLWW-0000ML-00 for userv-discuss(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:31 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Harris <bjh21(a)HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> To: userv-discuss(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM Subject: Pidfiles Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990517122435.21344H-100000(a)ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Ben Harris <bjh21(a)DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>

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Uncaught recipients.remove not in list in Post (1.0b11)
by ijackson＠chiark.greenend.org.uk May 17, 1999

May 17, 1999

I got the error page below when trying to approve a message for posting. The message was submitted with From: address which doesn't match a subscriber address, which was why it was sent to me for approval (the list has no posting from nonmembers). Ian. Bug in Mailman version 1.0b11 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main HandleRequests(doc) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 214, in HandleRequests list.HandleRequest(request, v) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 131, in HandlePostRequest self.Post(msg, 1) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1236, in Post recipients.remove(self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(sender)) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list

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Problem seting up mailman
by surendra rajbanshi May 17, 1999

May 17, 1999

Hello, I have setup mailman to access POP3 mail from web for our users, Some time it works fine and some times it shows the incomming message and when trying to read the mail it gives the Error mesage on right-hand side buttom frame, The error message is as follows- Error Message: No login provided, cannot proceed. it does not happen evertime, Have some one face this problem. if so Please send me suggestion I will be appriciate. Thanks, _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

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Newbie question
by Scott Kruger May 14, 1999

May 14, 1999

I just set up Mailman under Debian Linux using smail. I set up a users mailing list but right now it is not working - obviously because I have not set up the mail alias. Is this automated in any way by mailman? It seems like such a nice package there must be some way of having this automated. smail allows the creation of lists just by putting a file with the email addresses in /etc/smail/lists Is there an easy way of doing this? Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Scott Kruger Center for Energy and Space Science | | Science Applications Intl. Corp. kruger(a)colt.saic.com | | 10260 Campus Point Dr., MS E3X Phone: (619) 646-9505 | | San Diego, CA 92121-1578 Fax: (619) 546-6261 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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speaking of archiving ...
by Mitchell Marks May 14, 1999

May 14, 1999

Two of the lists I will be migrating to Mailman already have a couple years of archives, built up by hypermail (on a different host from where the slist mail management is running). Any suggestions on how to integrate the old archives with the new ones that Mailman+pipermail will be establishing? Or is there nothing both easy and more inviting than adding a "follow this link for archives from before June 1999" -- which I confess is the extent of my plan at this point. Thanks, -- Mitch Marks Mitchell Marks (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project http://cuip.uchicago.edu/cuip "The UofC -- still perfecting the R.M. Hutchins Exercise Program"

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weird locking behavior...
by Brian Behlendorf May 14, 1999

May 14, 1999

Hi. Sorry for the newbie question. FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE, qmail 1.03, python 1.5.2, delivering through a virtualhost using a "mailman" user in /var/qmail/control/virtualhosts. When a user subscribes through the public interface, two lockfiles get created/touched in the locks directory: laswell# ls -l /home/mailman/locks/ total 1 -rw-rw-rw- 1 nobody mailman 0 May 13 21:15 developer-announce.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 85 May 13 21:16 pending_subscriptions.lock However, even after the script finishes running, those lockfiles remain. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of the lockfiles, but it seems like they should disappear after the process is completed. This may be a clue to the real problem: The presence of these lockfiles causes mailcmd to hang. The subscriber can send the confirmation message, it confirms them, the confirmation "welcome to the list" message gets back to the subscriber, but then the process doesn't die: mailman 64327 0.0 0.1 776 360 p1 I 10:01PM 0:00.00 bin/qmail-local -- mailman /home/mailman mailman-developer-announce-request - developer-announce-request lists.sourcexchange.com brian@hy mailman 64329 0.0 0.1 496 292 p1 I 10:01PM 0:00.00 /bin/sh -c /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd developer-announce mailman 64330 0.0 0.5 2680 1320 p1 I 10:01PM 0:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd developer-announce mailman 64332 0.0 0.0 0 0 p1 Z - 0:00.00 (sh) ktrace on 64330 shows nothing, so something weird is getting triggered. When that process is killed, a message is sent to the subscriber: This is an automated response. There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address developer-announce-request(a)lists.sourcexchange.com. If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please send your message to developer-announce-admin(a)lists.sourcexchange.com. The following is a detailed description of the problems. ***** confirm 156719 >>>>> Invalid confirmation number! Note that confirmation numbers e... Heh, that "e..." sounds like it would have been interesting to hear! And note that it says "Invalid conf #", yet it succeeded, since the address got subscribed and everything. Nothing else is logged about that hung process explaining why. While this process is hung, pages on the web site hang, and further mail processes hang too. In short, the situation is not good. =) OK, so it sounds like one of the FAQ questions, right? But I've gone through the INSTALL notes as well as FAQ.* and it all looked kosher to me. All the web scripts are setgid mailman and the mail wrapper is setgid as well. When I built the program I used ./configure --with-cgi-gid=65534 --with-mail-gid=500 I do not see those "WANTED gid blah, GOT gid blah" messages, so I think this is correct. I actually tried following the advice in README.QMAIL about setting the mail gid to be "nofiles", but then I started getting that "WANTED/GOT" message, so I went back to gid 500, i.e. "mailman". I could sit here all day killing python like a video game, but I'd rather fix this. What did I do wrong? Let me know if anyone needs more data. Thanks! Brian

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Re: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
by Soren Dayton May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

"John Lewis" <jlewis(a)prospace.org> writes: > Here is what the mailman/logs.smtp-failures log had: > > May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com']: > May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: > Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com: > <jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied (dequeued) > May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['john_lewis(a)woodberry.org']: > May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: > Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / john_lewis(a)woodberry.org: > <john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>... Relaying denied (dequeued) > > So clearly its a sendmail problem, but how? Is it yet another smrsh problem? Nope. > Where do I look to resolve this? You have some sort of relay things set up. You need to make sure in your access database that localhost or your mailing list servewr can submit messages. Soren

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relaying denied problems with mailman and sendmail 8.9.3-10
by John Lewis May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

Well, now that mailman works with sendmail 8.9.3-10 and smrsh, I now have the following problem: Sending any messages beyond the local host fails with a relaying denied error. Is anyone here familiar with sendmail.cf who can tell me what I need to do to enable mailman to send messages to non local addresses? help! Here is the /var/log/maillog output: May 13 21:15:29 hadron sendmail[1931]: VAA01931: clone VAA01930, owner=mailman-test-admin May 13 21:15:30 hadron sendmail[1931]: VAA01931: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman-test", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent May 13 21:15:31 hadron sendmail[1946]: VAA01946: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied May 13 21:15:31 hadron sendmail[1946]: VAA01946: from=<mailman-test-admin(a)prospace.org>, size=1089, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1] May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1949]: VAA01949: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>. .. Relaying denied May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1949]: VAA01949: from=<mailman-test-admin(a)prospace.org>, size=1089, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1] May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1950]: VAA01950: from=<mailman-test-admin(a)prospace.org>, size=1090, class=-60, pri=139090, nrcpts=1, msgid=<014801be9d87$e964dd80$8a0210ac(a)woodberry.org>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1] May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1951]: VAA01950: to=<prospace-list(a)prospace.org>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent [root@hadron jlewis]

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relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
by John Lewis May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

Here is what the mailman/logs.smtp-failures log had: May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com']: May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com: <jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied (dequeued) May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['john_lewis(a)woodberry.org']: May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / john_lewis(a)woodberry.org: <john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>... Relaying denied (dequeued) So clearly its a sendmail problem, but how? Is it yet another smrsh problem? Where do I look to resolve this? help!

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Redhat 6.0's sendmail 8.9.3-10 and smrsh settings for mailman
by John Lewis May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

With RedHat 6.0, running sendmail 8.9.3-10, sendmail by default runs through smrsh. Mailman's INSTALL file is correct in identifying the problem, and the solution is correct. However, the smrsh directory is /etc/smrsh on RedHat 6.0, not /usr/admn/sm.bin. Hope this helps. - John Lewis ProSpace Webmaster and Mailing List Maintainer

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Admin Web pages not updating list configuration.
by Moore, Mark D May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

> I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc1 for the first time. > The hardware is x86 running RedHat Linux v5.2 > > When using the admin web pages for a list (any list), the page > drops me back to the 'List Administrative Password' prompt > after hitting the 'Submit Changes variable'. None of the changes > are made, either. > > For instance, if changing a user's distribution to digest form, hitting > the submit button, I'm dropped back to the 'List Administrative Password' > prompt. > > The Web server is Apache. > > FollowSymLinks is turned on. > Not error messages appear in /var/log/httpd/error_log, > /var/log/httpd/access_log, > or the /usr/local/mailman/log/error files. > > This behavior is consistent on all administrative and user web pages. > > tia. > > Mark > --0- > ------ > > Mark Moore, Systems Administrator > Ball Aerospace & Technology Corp. > 1600 Commerce Ave, CO-6 > Boulder, CO 80301-2734 > > (W) 303-939-6224 > (F) 303-939-5807 > mdmoore(a)ball.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------- >

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problems setting up..
by Tom Bowman May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

I just installed mailman on a slackware Linux box i am running.. it's currently using sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3 .. if i send an email to the list i have setup (which appears to be setup properly) i get this error in my /var/adm/maillog: May 13 09:00:46 absolut sendmail[4667]: JAA04667: from=<tbowman(a)sequeltech.com>, size=450, class=0, pri=30450, nrcpts=1, msgid=<81DCCCD6EFCED011AB5200805FA6FBC98ADF40(a)bellprod.sequeltech.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=[207.109.88.2] May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: clone JAA04667, owner=posse-admin May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: to="|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper post posse", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126 May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAA04668: JAB04668: DSN: unknown mailer error 126 May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: to="|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner posse", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 126 May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: to=MAILER-DAEMON, delay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=User unknown May 13 09:00:47 absolut sendmail[4668]: JAB04668: JAC04668: return to sender: User unknown when mail is sent to posse(a)leech.org [posse is the name of the list] .. /etc/aliases: mailman: juice(a)leech.org mailman-owner: mailman(a)leech.org posse: "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper post posse" posse-admin: "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner posse" posse-request: "|/personal/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd posse" owner-posse: posse-admin posse-owner: posse-admin .. any ideas would be greatly apreciated.. thank you.. tom

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RE: Desperation time
by John-David Childs May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

Yesterday I posted a question about why mail sent to a mailman mailing list (or listowner) was going to the bitbucket with an error message like "DSN Unknown Mailer Error 1" or "Operating System Error". I theorized at first that it was my version of python (1.5.2b2?) and the fact that I'm using *BSD. Upgrading to 1.5.2 final didn't help. I also upgraded from mailman 1.0b9 to 1.0rc1. Nope. Same problem. Next, I theorized that my renaming of mailman's wrapper to "mmwrapper" (to avoid conflicts with Majordomo's wrapper in my smrsh "sm.bin" directory) might have triggered some hardcoded names in the mailman scripts/sources. Nope, that wasn't it either. I was not getting any of the "wanted GID=XX, got GID=yy" errors from wrapper common to other installations. I finally figured out a workaround, although I'm not happy at all with it. I had to install mailman's wrapper in the smrsh directory as root (the one in the ~mailman/mail directory is owned by mailman.daemon). I'm not completely finished testing, but it looks like I have to set the SUID bit too :( This was necessary so that the wrapper program could assume what ever priviledges it thought it needed. Setting it to mailman.daemon with the SGID bit set didn't seem to work. So...do I have something else messed up in my installation? I've never seen anyone else complain that wrapper had to be root with smrsh (I'm not sure if smrsh is the issue here or what). -- John-David Childs (JC612) Enterprise Internet Solutions Systems Administration http://www.nterprise.net & Network Engineering 8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231 You could get a new lease on life -- if only you didn't need the first and last month in advance.

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wrapper problems with sendmail, help
by John Lewis May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

I recently had to reinstall sendmail. Now this is what I get: The original message was received at Thu, 13 May 1999 09:02:14 -0400 from localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prospace-board" (expanded from: prospace-board-admin) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner prospace-board"... Service unavailable Help. How do I go about correcting this? I'm now running sendmail 8.9.3-10. Thanks.

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admindb features
by Ricardo Kustner May 13, 1999

May 13, 1999

Hi, Here are some Moderate features I think would be really usefull in mailman: 1. an option to resend / forward a message held for approval to a certain e-mail address. why? sometimes you don't want to accept a post on the mailinglist, but you want to be able to show it to others (fellow moderators for example) 2. filter html... s/</</g (forgive me, i'm a perl programmer :) ) why? html messages with background, plugins, javascript and other crap mess up the pending message page. Which makes me wonder if it's any kind of security leak for people to be able to write javascript that will be run on *your* site. 3. only show attachment filenames / types instead of the MIME base64... why? if somebody sends a 1mb attachment to the list, it takes quite a while to view the pending page... and small attachments just mess it up... oh and plain-text digests aren't getting any better with attachments :( 4. the TODO says : "allow the admin to edit posts in the database (put a header in the post noting that it was edited by a moderator, however!) " what would be a better alternative IMHO is to allow the admin to add a comment on top of the message to be send to the list... the adimdb page could have a "add comment" textarea with every post held for approval... accepting a post with a non-empty comment could then add it to the post before it is send out to the list... example: ======== From: wimp(a)email.com To: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: blah blah >****COMMENT FROM MODERATOR******* > >Read the INSTALL file in the source tree! > >****END OF MODERATOR COMMENT***** Hi, how can i install mailman on my redhat linux system? Thanks. ======== i'm going to try to make these changes in my running mailman myself, but i dont have much experience with python yet so i probably won't Do It The Right Way (tm) ... but hopefully some of the features will appear in a future release of mailman. Ricardo. --

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Re: pipermail status & more
by Mitchell Marks May 12, 1999

May 12, 1999

I'm going to disagree a bit with Bernhard Reiter's expressed preferences, but wanted to note up front that "de gustibus non disputandum" probably applies here. >Otherwise I think that mailman doesn't necessarily need to support an >archiving and searching web engine. Most people want a ready to >go solution and it would be easy to produce that using >hypermail and htdig. IMO most people would benefit from having >easy to-go instructions for setting up hypermail and htdig. If it could be packaged together, and all the uid/gid settings reconciled, I could see it. But in fact it was a recent bad experience with hypermail, while moving my organizations web site to a different host, that made me pay attention to the announcements of Mailman. Maybe I got the wrong version of hypermail, or was expecting too much from it in terms of seamlessly absorbing a copied existing archive and picking up from there. >(I guess that I am an advocate of modularisation.) >Of course a state of the art mailarchive program in python would be >nice. ;) I always *think* that I favor modularisation, but then end up admiring something that's nicely integrated, and fuming at something modular that doesn't pop together smoothly. But whether it be a well-behaved hypermail, or pipermail, or their successor from Bernhard's wish-list, I hope that Mailman continues to "know about" the archives -- that is, keep that link to the archives along with the other links on a list's page, and keep the archiving options on each list's management pages along with the other sorts of options. >Mailinglist management: > Is there an options to have other posts as coming > from the subscriber and the allowed mailing addresses > to go to the moderators for approval? > Good idea. >Option HTML page: > I don't like that I get a different Webbrowser windows, > when I press (Details) . (Okay it is easy to change, > but still I wanted to let you know, that I don't like it.) :) > I really like having that come up as a separate "help" window, leaving undisturbed the main window where I'm picking checkboxes. But then, I'm always amazed when I use browser-back to return to some form and it hasn't forgotten my choices so far; maybe I just need more faith :) --Mitch Marks Mitchell Marks (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project http://cuip.uchicago.edu/cuip The University of Chicago -- fun and sun capital of the Midwest

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Desperation Time! :)
by John-David Childs May 12, 1999

May 12, 1999

I've been struggling with this issue off and on for months, and it's time to beg, grovel, and plead for help. mail sent to "listname" or "listname-request" seems to go into the ether-bitbucket, often with a "DSN unknown mailer error 1" At first, I thought the problem was the lockfile issue mentioned for BSD machines using older version of python, so yesterday I installed version 1.5 final. No change. Then I thought maybe it was a mail-gid problem, but after several experiments changing the GID and noticing the result, that isn't the problem either. I am running sendmail with smrsh and procmail as the local delivery agent. I am *also* running majordomo lists on the same machine, which also uses a "wrapper" program placed in .../sm.bin, so I'm wondering now if the problem is that I renamed mailman's wrapper from "wrapper" to "mmwrapper" in the ~mailman/mail directory, the .../sm.bin/ directory, *and* in the /etc/aliases file for the mailing list. I'm new to python so a "find -exec grep" through the mailman sources turned up some references to wrapper but I'm not sure if they were variablized or hardcoded. Any help is appreciated. -- John-David Childs (JC612) Enterprise Internet Solutions Systems Administration http://www.nterprise.net & Network Engineering 8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231 Don't worry about avoiding temptation -- as you grow older, it starts avoiding you. -- The Old Farmer's Almanac

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system performance
by Ricardo Kustner May 12, 1999

May 12, 1999

Hi, i'm running a mailman mailinglist on a Linux system... it also has mysql and apache running and since it isnt too powerfull (due to lack of finances... it has only 32mb and a P100 processor) i have to make sure the programs running dont eat to much processor time/memory... it was running fine untill i started using mailman+exim on it... the mailinglist has 646 subscribers right now and sometimes the system load on the machine grows terribly when moderated mail is being approved on the list...(this morning it took me 30 minutes to telnet to the machine and issue a shutdown) what i want to do is to have a bit more delay between sending out the messages to the subscribers (since it's moderated anyway it doesnt matter if a post takes several minutes to be send out)... how can i accomplish this with mailman? or do i have to tweak something in exim? ps: one tip, since exim does a ident lookup with every smtp connection, i changed the exim configuration not to do this for localhost connections since mailman makes a smtp connection to the localhost with *every* message it sends out: your logs grow very fast and there's a lot of unnessary system load IMHO... Thanks, Ricardo.

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Lists archives and sort by date
by Jean-Francois Malouin May 11, 1999

May 11, 1999

Hi, I just installed mailman-1.0rc1 and it looks great even though I had quite a hard time to configure it and set the permissions to be acceptable to sendmail-8.9.2 which is very picky about group writable directories. Now my question: Is there a way to display the date in the archive of the mailing list? It is particularly annoying not to have the date displayed when sorting the posts by date. [ I'm new to python and have a very limited experience with http and html editing...so bear with me please. ] TIA jf -- "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Phillip K. Dick

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problem with message approval
by Alan Barnes May 11, 1999

May 11, 1999

We are having a problem with the rc1 version of mailman. The problem also existed is previous versions I tried. If you select to allow posts only from members AND to not have to approve each message it doesn't work right. We still have to approve every message and the reason given is that posts are allowed by members only. How exactly is the mailman try to determine if you are on the list? Sometimes it looks like it's getting it from Sender: and sometimes it looks like it's getting info from one of the Recevied by tags. I've tried it from 5 different mail servers and I get the same results every time. It tells me that posting is restricted to members of the list. One time it told me that I had to approve the message for that reason and the From: address it listed in the email to me WAS the same as the one I entered. This program (mailman) is great so if someone could help me out here I would appreciate it. Thanks! Alan Barnes dodger(a)toast.net

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listmembers still requiring moderation
by John Lewis May 11, 1999

May 11, 1999

After upgrading to 1.b11, listmembers of my lists are having their messages require moderator approval, even though I've set them up to be allowed to post. What am I missing? Is it a permissions thing? Wish I could search the archives... -John Lewis

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re: archives via html frames
by Eric Gus May 11, 1999

May 11, 1999

sorry for the 'dupe'. Please see http://www.evg.org/~webdesign/listarchive/ for what I'm looking for except with the ability to have it done by month as well (above link is with mhonarc/majordomo) >Is there any info on doing some sort of a html frames version? > >What I'm looking for: >top frame - month index >left frame - msg threads (with option to view by auth/subj/date) >right from - msgbody (or custom intropage if you've just started viewing the archive) > >Gus >

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[Q] pipermail status & more
by Bernhard Reiter May 11, 1999

May 11, 1999

Hi Mailmen, thanks for this nice mailing list management software. I'm trying it out and it looks quite nice to far. But I have a couple of questions. Archiving: As pipermail is declared obsolete by its author, what is the status of this package. It seems to be partially supported by the mailman authors. Will it be supported? Otherwise I think that mailman doesn't necessarily need to support an archiving and searching web engine. Most people want a ready to go solution and it would be easy to produce that using hypermail and htdig. IMO most people would benefit from having easy to-go instructions for setting up hypermail and htdig. (I guess that I am an advocate of modularisation.) Of course a state of the art mailarchive program in python would be nice. ;) Mailinglist management: Is there an options to have other posts as coming from the subscriber and the allowed mailing addresses to go to the moderators for approval? I guess that I can use the "posters" option to add totally different list member posting email addresses (e.g if someone as a totally different login) Wouldn't it be better to have a user-manageable option for this? Option HTML page: I don't like that I get a different Webbrowser windows, when I press (Details) . (Okay it is easy to change, but still I wanted to let you know, that I don't like it.) :) Kind Regards, Bernhard

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Maximum number of subscribers?
by John Lewis May 7, 1999

May 7, 1999

I can't remember the specific details, but what is the maximum number of subscribers that mailman can handle? What is the practical number? If it can hold thousands, is there any easy way to search the member list for specific addresses? The reason I ask this is I have a 19,000 member list that I'm thinking of migrating, and some of the addresses in it are not the current addresses users are using... So when they ask to be removed, and can't find their exact address, I need to do the greping to find them. Also, do all users have to have passwords? I can disable that can't I? If these are dumb questions that have been answered somewhere, please point me in that direction. Thanks.

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`Password reminder' message lacks some helpful properties
by ijackson＠chiark.greenend.org.uk May 7, 1999

May 7, 1999

Observe the attached bounce message. Unfortunately, I can't easily do anything about it because the original message doesn't tell me which list(s) it relates to. Furthermore, the password reminders are sent with envelope from mailman-owner rather than the listowner; this means that the wrong person has to deal with it. Would it be possible for a future version of Mailman to: (a) Provide correct machine-readable information about which list(s) the message relates to in the headers. (Complete information would be nice, but at least one correct entry would allow me to find a hook into fixing the problem.) (b) Change the envelope from for these messages to be the listowner of at least one of the relevant lists. ? (I'm using Mailman 1.0b11.) Thanks, Ian.

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list member data base
by Richard B. Pyne May 7, 1999

May 7, 1999

I have some web pages that I want to put up for use by members of a closed mailing list. Has anyone used the list database to restrict access to web pages other than those managed directly by Mailman? I would appreciate any insights on this idea. Thanks, ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU rpyne(a)kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2

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(no subject)
by Antonio Lopez May 6, 1999

May 6, 1999

Dear mailman-users: I am trying to configure mailman 1.0b8 in a Linux system, and I have problems with the wrapper. I could not subscribe to any list, because as the subscription result I have the following mail: Reporting-MTA: dns; nutria.unesco.org.uy Received-From-MTA: DNS; ferrari.fing.edu.uy Arrival-Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:25:48 -0300 Final-Recipient: RFC822; <foroagua-request(a)nutria.unesco.org.uy> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foroagua(a)nutria.unesco.org.uy Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:25:54 -0300 any help will be sincerely appreciated. best regards, antonio.

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initial install Q's. [NEWBIE]
by Eric Gus May 6, 1999

May 6, 1999

don't understand the docs fully so... Q - Does the user I invoke ./configure with need access to su or can I become user mailman. Q - Can i unpack the archive into /home/mailmain/mailman-1.0rc1/ and do everything else from there User gus (me) is only user allowed access to su apache1.3.6 installed w/default user/group on a linux 2.0.32 kernel (slackware) User nobody Group nogroup /etc/passwd root:[deleted]:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash bin:*:1:1:bin:/bin: daemon:*:2:2:daemon:/sbin: nobody:*:65534:100:nobody:/dev/null: mailman:*:586:104:MailMan MailingList Manager:/home/mailman:/bin/bash /etc/group root::0:root,gus bin::1:root,bin,daemon daemon::2:root,bin,daemon wheel::10:root,gus mail::12:mail mailman::104:mailman,gus Q - Does --prefix need /home/mailman/public_html or just skip the prefix to use the defualt /home/mailman/ Q - would these be correct? (sendmail 8.7.5-- will be changing to postfix or qmail) /etc/sendmail.cf # default UID (can be username or userid:groupid) O DefaultUser=1:1 --with-cgi-gid=nogroup --with-cgi-ext=.cgi --with-mail-gid=1 (bin) Q - If I use suExec or CGIwrap, do I have to configure cgi-gid differently? Confused and green, Gus

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List of vendors that run Mailman?
by editor4＠chiconews.com May 5, 1999

May 5, 1999

All, I am shopping for a vendor that uses Mailman software to run lists. The vendor I now use does not want to add new lists unless they will use Majordomo. Any specific suggestions? Bob Fleming editor4(a)chiconews.com

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Search....
by David Corbin May 4, 1999

May 4, 1999

I've been using mailmain for a few weeks now for some very small lists. I think it's great. The web-admin stuff is REALLY great. One thing that seems to be missing, to me, is that there is no way to search the archives on the web. If there is, I missed it. Are there any plans to add such? Thanks -- David Corbin Corsol Corporation http://www.csol.com dcorbin(a)csol.com

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[ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0rc1
by bwarsaw＠python.org May 4, 1999

May 4, 1999

Hi folks, Mailman 1.0 release candidate 1 (1.0rc1) has just been uploaded to www.list.org. Barring any major screwups by me, this will be the final 1.0 release. The next step is to create the GNU web pages. I just want to personally thank everyone who's helped with ideas, contributions, suggestions, and support in getting us to where we are. Here are a few things to note about this release: - We have a logo contest winner! By a narrow margin, Dragon's logo has won. My thanks to the other 3 logo creators; in different ways I liked them all, and they are all much better than /I/ could ever have done! Mailman will now display Dragon's small logo on (most) generated pages; I may have missed a few, but those will all be fixed when we revamp the page designs after 1.0. You need to read the instructions in the INSTALL file for putting mailman.gif in a place that your Web server can find them, and for setting up the img src URL. Comments on how to improve this manual installation step would be appreciated. - There is a new cron/mailpasswd script which groups users by virtual domains if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is true (the default). While I've tested this feature, I would /really/ appreciate some more detailed testing by you folks who run multiple virtual domains (hi Greg S. :-). Please, let's not wait until June 1 to find out something is broken, but also be careful not to spam too many of your users! - If anybody feels like they are being left out of the ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS file, or have any other updates for this file, please send them directly to me. I haven't kept up with this as well as I should have, so don't be shy. :-) That's all I can think of. Grab the tarball from http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz Enjoy, -Barry P.S. I'll probably somewhat unresponsive to the mailing lists for a while. I need to concentrate on getting the next JPython release out.

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Bug: Further info...
by Tomas May 4, 1999

May 4, 1999

The bug seems to be only when someone tries to subscribe via email. I think. I seem to be able to add these people via the web interface. These folks don't have web access. I have a hunch, but cannot figure it out, that maybe there's a permission thing happening? By the way, the site is: http://louis-lamour-fan.com the list is ll-chat(a)louis-lamour-fan.com (and ll-chat-admin@ is the list admin, right?) Thanks, Tomas -- What would you like me to do today? ----------------------------- http://GreaterGood.com - - - - Shopping that benefits your group. http://YourSchoolShop.com ..... where 5% goes back to your school! Tomas Hood - Technology (Miracle) Worker Voice (206) 624-8972 FAX (206) 344-5221 Pager (206) 998-3805 "If everyone is thinking alike then somebody is not thinking..." -- George S. Patton

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Bug: [Fwd: Trying to Subscribe]
by Tomas May 4, 1999

May 4, 1999

I have been having users send me these error reports: When I tried to subscribe to your mailing list, I got this error. Please let me know when to try again. I am very interesting in chatting again. Bug in Mailman version 1.0b11 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 161, in main list.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 851, in AddMember cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new db = self.__load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 94, in __load self.__assert_lock(self.db_lock_timeout) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 120, in __assert_lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 127, in lock raise TimeOutError TimeOutError What can I do about this? I am using the latest Red Hat linux.

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Moving Listproc lists
by Gerhard Gonter May 3, 1999

May 3, 1999

Does anybody have a nice little tool to transfer a listproc based mailing list to mailman? If not, I'll start with a program to transfer the user list or check, if add_members could be hacked to do that ;) +gg -- Gerhard.Gonter(a)wu-wien.ac.at Fax: +43/1/31336/702 g.gonter(a)ieee.org Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria

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Error
by Douglas Eadline May 3, 1999

May 3, 1999

Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main HandleRequests(doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 214, in HandleRequests list.HandleRequest(request, v) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 165, in HandlePostRequest self.LogMsg("vette", note) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 793, in LogMsg logf.write(msg % args + '\n') TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/etc/pages/plogic HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip REMOTE_HOST atmax-2-38.enter.net CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/etc/pages/plogic/xtreme REMOTE_ADDR 207.16.153.94 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_COOKIE xtreme-admin=-1541011237; xtreme-admin=-1541011237 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en REMOTE_PORT 1796 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/xtreme PATH /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin QUERY_STRING SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb CONTENT_LENGTH 52 HTTP_HOST www.plogic.com REQUEST_METHOD POST SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SERVER_ADMIN webmaster(a)plogic.com SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.2.6 Red Hat PYTHONPATH /home/mailman PATH_INFO /xtreme HTTP_REFERER http://www.plogic.com/mailman/admindb/xtreme SERVER_NAME www.plogic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paralogic, Inc. | PEAK | Voice:+610.861.6960 115 Research Drive | PARALLEL | Fax:+610.861.8247 Bethlehem, PA 18017 USA | PERFORMANCE | http://www.plogic.com -------------------------------------------------------------------

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gate_news giving errors (in cron)
by Soren Dayton May 2, 1999

May 2, 1999

I have two kinds of errors. Has anyone ever seen these? This is 1.0b11, python 1.5.2 on Solaris 2.5. thanks, Soren

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Re: Mailman bug
by ijackson＠chiark.greenend.org.uk May 2, 1999

May 2, 1999

Stephen Early writes ("Mailman bug"): > When trying to view the subscribers list of 'troubadours', which is > only available to list members, and providing a bogus address and > password: > > > Bug in Mailman version 1.0b11 > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py", line 61, in main > list.ConfirmUserPassword(id, pw) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 76, in ConfirmUserPassword > raise Errors.MMNotAMemberError > MMNotAMemberError I'm using Mailman 1.0b11. I installed it as a home-made Debian package, using the debianisation patch from Debian's 1.0b8-3. (The lists are at www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo etc.) Ian.

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group shows up as part of cgi url
by Daniel Jacobs May 1, 1999

May 1, 1999

This is a strange one - For an example, go to http://jubjub.wizard.com/mailman/admin Any cgi program name is having the group (nogroup) appended to it in the html being generated. I've poked through the archives and the faq and haven't come across this. I am running on FreeBSD 3.1 w/apache 1.3.1 and python 1.5.1. Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Providers of Internet Services (702) 317-2001 | http://www.wizard.com/ | danielj(a)wizard.com "In art and dream, may you proceed with abandon. In life, may you proceed with balance and stealth." - Patti Smith

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deleting archives
by kevin＠vulcanind.com May 1, 1999

May 1, 1999

I have got Mailman running and tested on a Debian GNU/Linux box. I am going to put this into production in the next few days on our intranet. During my testing phase I just used forwarded copies of one of my favorite digests. Well now I got 50-60 copies of these digests in my archives, and it is not exactly appropriate reading material for business use. I can not find anything in the FAQs or archives that addresses deleting and restarting the archives. Any suggestions? Kevin Lee Vulcan Industries (205) 640-2433 mailto:kevin@vulcanind.com http://www.vulcanind.com

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Error/crash in admindb - Solved
by Brian Ryner May 1, 1999

May 1, 1999

First of all, the bug I reported earlier happens if you access this URL: http://host/mailman/admindb/ <-- note trailing slash It tries to cause an "Invalid options to CGI script" error, but can't because of the typo in Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line 77: doc.AddItem(eader(2, "Invalid options to CGI script.")) where Header is misspelled. That fixed the crash. But I think that this URL (admindb/) should work just like admindb without the slash -- it should say that you must specify a list. -Brian Ryner bryner(a)uiuc.edu

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Error/crash in admindb - 1.0b11
by Brian Ryner May 1, 1999

May 1, 1999

Hi- This crash happened when going to http://host/mailman/admindb. I have not been able to reproduce it since then. The error log is attached. The system is running Slackware 3.5, with Python 1.5.1. Any suggestions or patches? Also, is there a way that I can turn off the extraneous debugging information sent to the WWW client, and have it just be put in the log? The fact that it dumps so much information about the system could be seen as a security risk. Thanks. -Brian Ryner bryner(a)uiuc.edu Apr 29 22:33:41 1999 admin: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin: [----- Mailman Version: 1.0b11 -----] admin: [----- Traceback ------] admin: Traceback (innermost last): admin: File "/admin/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main admin: main() admin: File "/admin/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 77, in main admin: doc.AddItem(eader(2, "Invalid options to CGI script.")) admin: NameError: eader admin: [----- Environment Variables -----] admin: DOCUMENT_ROOT: /files/admin/httpd/htdocs admin: HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate admin: SERVER_PORT: 80 admin: PATH_TRANSLATED: /files/admin/httpd/htdocs/ admin: URL_COUNT: 6 admin: GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin: HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us admin: HTTP_PROXY_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive admin: REMOTE_ADDR: xxx.yyy.zzz.xxx admin: SERVER_NAME: www.xxxxxxx.org admin: URL_COUNT_DB: /files/admin/httpd/logs/counters/ALL admin: HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) admin: HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, */* admin: REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/ admin: PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin admin: QUERY_STRING: admin: SCRIPT_FILENAME: /files/admin/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb admin: PATH_INFO: / admin: HTTP_HOST: www.xxxxxxx.org admin: REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin: SERVER_SIGNATURE: admin: URL_COUNT_RESET: Thursday, 29-Apr-99 00:19:13 CDT admin: SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb admin: SERVER_ADMIN: admin(a)xxxxxx.org admin: SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.4 (Unix) admin: PYTHONPATH: /admin/mailman admin: SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 admin: REMOTE_PORT: 6208

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