Mailman 3 November 2001 - Mailman-Users

List user management problems
by Robert Benites Nov. 2, 2001

Nov. 2, 2001

I am running Mailman 2.0.6 on a Compaq Tru64 UNIX 5.1 system. I reviewd the open bugs at SourceForge and didn't see a problem such as this described there. I tried posting this using the bug reporting mechanism at SourceForge, but when I tried to just use my e-mail address, my browser crashed. I thought I'd post it here to to see if someone else had seen a problems such as this. To begin, I created a list, ms-adm, which seemed to go fine. When I tried to add a list of users using the adminstrator's membership management page, while the users were subscribed, eg. list admins received a subscription notification mail message with the correct subscriber addresses, and the users show up as members using the list_members command, they never got a welcome message with their password. This problem seems to be intermittent, I added two users at the outset on the Membership Management page and they got a welcome message with their password, but when I entered a larger group (17 users) they seemed to be added, but never got the welcome message. In addition, when I do a dumpdb, I see entries foreach of this second group of users which look like: 'bounce_info': { 'bennett-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707923.71, 2.0, 2.0], 'bland-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707923.17, 2.0, 2.0], 'brock-owner(a)cs.unca.edu': [1004707922.36, 2.0, 2.0], 'dperkins-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707923.06, 2.0, 2.0], 'elkin-owner(a)cs.unca.edu': [1004707922.01, 2.0, 2.0], 'fcooper-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707922.23, 2.0, 2.0], 'frandall-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707923.59, 2.0, 2.0], 'honeycutt-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707922.91, 2.0, 2.0], 'mculbertson-owner(a)unca.edu': [ 1004707923.44, 2.0, 2.0], 'msmall-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707923.28, 2.0, 2.0], 'mstoffan-owner(a)bulldog.unca.edu': [ 1004707864.32, 2.0, 2.0], 'parker-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707922.69, 2.0, 2.0], 'reynolds-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707868.14, 2.0, 2.0], 'robin-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707923.83, 2.0, 2.0], 'rwhite-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707867.72, 2.0, 2.0], 'selliott-owner(a)unca.edu': [1004707922.52, 2.0, 2.0], 'shepherd-owner(a)bulldog.unca.edu': [ 1004707896.47, 2.0, 2.0]}, One of the users I added was bennett(a)unca.edu, another was bland(a)unca.edu. Also, during list setup, I never changed any of the bounce options. If these users go to the listinfo page enter their address, eg. bland(a)unca.edu for instance, and click "edit options" they see bland-owner(a)unca.edu, rather than bland(a)unca.edu. This is the _only_ list I'm having problems with. It seems I should only have the list administrators in the bounce_info variables, or is that an incorrect assumption? How can I fix the database? I am unsure of the python syntax. Any suggestions? Thanks! -- Bob Benites

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RE: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron
by Greg Schnippel Nov. 2, 2001

Nov. 2, 2001

Thanks, Jon. I checked the file sizes in the archive directory but they seem to be rather insignificant. The list that is causing the problems has 6000+ users but they only mail 2-3 times a month. Do you think the size of the list is what is causing qrunner and then cron to lock up? I'm sure mailman can handle large lists and it has always been able to handle this list before.. Not sure why it would freeze when processing it now Thanks, Greg Schnippel > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc@haht.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:31 PM > To: Greg Schnippel; mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron > > > Are your volumes filing up (do a "df")? How big are your > archives? If they > have grown very large, then it will take awhile to put each > new message into > the archive. This can slow you down quite a bit. > > Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Schnippel" <gschnippel(a)forumone.com> > To: <mailman-users(a)python.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:00 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron > > > > > > I've been having a lot of trouble with mailman and > > cron recently and I'm wondering if anyone else has > > experienced this or has any ideas..? > > > > We have several large lists on our server and they > > have run without problem for a couple of years now. > > However, recently it seems that qrunner is locking > > up when it tries to process the queue and in the > > process, it stalls the cron daemon as well. > > > > The only thing we have been able to do is monitor > > cron, detect when its not working, kill and restart > > the cron process, and then manually run the mailman > > qrunner program. Definitely not optimal. > > > > There are no errors being reported in either the mailman > > error logs or in the smtp logs.. ?? > > > > Anyone had any problems with qrunner or cron with > > mailman? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg Schnippel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >

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mailman error
by Madan Rai Nov. 2, 2001

Nov. 2, 2001

hi can you please help me out to get rid of this problem.. thx Madan ------------------------------------------- This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: system-request(a)net4india.net Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

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Re: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work
by Lucas Hofman Nov. 2, 2001

Nov. 2, 2001

On Thursday 01 November 2001 10:00, J C Lawrence wrote: > > Based on a little experiment it seem that mail (unix mail > > command), kmail, and outlook express do not. > > I can't comment on Outlook. The other's you listed do generate > correct In-Reply-To: headers. > Are you sure? Look at the following reply generated by replying to a mail send by a local user: --- >From root Fri Nov 2 10:27:14 2001 Return-Path: <root> Received: (from root@localhost) by tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11389; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:27:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:27:14 +0100 From: root <root(a)tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com> Message-Id: <200111020927.KAA11389(a)tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com> To: lucas(a)tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com, root(a)tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com Subject: Re: test reply which headers are added? --- No In-Reply-To: header here. The mail client on this linux box is mail (good old mail, which does not honour the -V or --version option) By the way, your messages do not thread in the mailman user maillist archive. Which MUA are you using? -- Regards, Lucas Hofman PGS Research work: +47 67514059 PO Box 354 fax: +47 67526640 N-1326 Lysaker, Norway home: +47 67581373

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gate_news raising NNTPProtocolError exceptions & pragraph duplication
by Stuart Bishop Nov. 1, 2001

Nov. 1, 2001

Hi. I'm trying to setup an email feed of a couple of large Usenet news groups. Articles seem to be flowing happily, although I'm getting a dozen or so exceptions each day. It may be related to the number of aricles being retrieved, as I get these exceptions everytime gate_news is run until I perform a catchup on the news group. I was also getting the exceptions much more often until I started running gate_news every 60 seconds instead of once every five minutes. The other problem I am seeing is that the first paragraph (the body before the first blank line) is being repeated twice. My client is a NetBSD box running Python 2.1.1 and Mailman 2.0.6. The upstream news server is an NT DNews server, or a NetCache (which talks to the same DNews server) - same problem with both. Can anyone shed any light on this? My assumption would be that DNews is brokent, but I don't know enough about NNTP to be sure. On Thursday, November 1, 2001, at 06:14 PM, Cron Daemon wrote: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 179, in process_lists poll_newsgroup(mlist, conn, start, last+1, glock) File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 104, in poll_newsgroup body = conn.body(`num`)[3] File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 346, in body return self.artcmd('BODY ' + id) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 322, in artcmd resp, list = self.longcmd(line) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 215, in longcmd return self.getlongresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 194, in getlongresp resp = self.getresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 188, in getresp raise NNTPProtocolError(resp) Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPProtocolError: . -- Stuart Bishop <zen(a)shangri-la.dropbear.id.au> http://shangri-la.dropbear.id.au/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
by J C Lawrence Nov. 1, 2001

Nov. 1, 2001

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:30:45 -0500 (EST) Joshua S Freeman <jfreeman(a)connix.com> wrote: > WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP? Because you have mailman configured for them to report under a different virtual host than the one at which you are looking for them. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
by Dan Mick Nov. 1, 2001

Nov. 1, 2001

> A second test message was sent. Reconfiguring with daemon (GID 1) > took care of the error message, but now Mailman won't respond to > e-mail. A message sent to the list (or to [list-request] seems to be > handed off to mail/wrapper correctly: > > Oct 31 22:24:17 straylight sendmail[60410]: fA16OFf60410: > from=<michelle(a)eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, > msgid=<a05001916b80699e20711(a)[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, > relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140] > Oct 31 22:24:18 straylight sendmail[60411]: fA16OFf60410: > to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", > ctladdr=<songscape(a)straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:02, > xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent > > It's acting as if /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper isn't executing, > because no mail is sent out after this point. You don't say anything about setting up cron. Is that because you haven't?

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Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
by Michelle Brownsworth Nov. 1, 2001

Nov. 1, 2001

Gentle friends, I installed Mailman 2.0.6 on my FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE server, which runs sendmail 8.11.6. I configured in accordance with the INSTALL instructions. I used the Apache group nobody (GID 65534) for the CGI wrapper. Initially, it seemed logical to use GID 6 for the mail wrapper, according to /etc/group: mail:*:6: Here are the results of the first configure: /usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.6# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman \ > --with-mail-gid=6 \ > --with-cgi-gid=65534 loading cache ./config.cache checking for --with-python... no checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python checking Python version... 1.5.2 checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true checking for --without-gcc... no checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes checking for --with-var-prefix... no checking for --with-username... mailman checking for mailman UID... 1003 checking for --with-groupname... mailman checking for mailman GID... 1003 checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay checking for mail wrapper GID... 6 checking for CGI wrapper GID... 65534 checking for CGI extensions... no checking for default fully qualified host name... straylight.primelogic.com checking for default URL host component... straylight.primelogic.com checking for strerror... (cached) yes checking for setregid... (cached) yes checking for syslog... (cached) yes checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes updating cache ./config.cache creating ./config.status creating misc/paths.py creating Mailman/Defaults.py creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist creating src/Makefile creating misc/Makefile creating bin/Makefile creating Mailman/Makefile creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile creating templates/Makefile creating cron/Makefile creating filters/Makefile creating scripts/Makefile creating cron/crontab.in creating Makefile You have new mail in /var/mail/michelle So far, so good. Then I compiled: make DIRSETGID=: install Because, according to README.BSD: BSD ISSUES 1. Vivek Khera writes that BSD does nightly security scans for setuid file changes. Setgid directories also come up on the scan when they change. He says that setgid bit is not necessary on BSD systems because group ownership is automatically inherited on files created in directories. On other Un*xes, this only happens when the directory has the setgid bit turned on. To install without turning on the setgid bit on directories, simply pass in the DIRSETGID variable to make, like so: % make DIRSETGID=: install This turns off the chmod g+s on each directory as they are installed. Next, I checked directory permissions, and they were copacetic: /usr/local/mailman# bin/check_perms No problems found Then I set up a list, using bin/newlist. The Web pages for the list worked fine, no problems. Next, I tried to send a message to Mailman, which quickly went down in flames. Turned out my assumption of mail (GID 6) for the mail wrapper was unwarranted: Oct 31 22:46:38 straylight sendmail[63442]: fA16kcf63442: from=<michelle(a)eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<a05001917b8069f6b5432(a)[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140] Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kcf63442: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", ctladdr=<songscape(a)straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kcf63442: fA16kdf63443: DSN: unknown mailer error 2 Oct 31 22:46:44 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kdf63443: to=<michelle(a)eugene.net>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=esmtp, pri=30132, relay=mail.eugene.net. [207.189.137.3], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (fA16pCf10466 Message accepted for delivery) DOH! Okay, sez I. Undaunted, I reconfigured using "--with-mail-gid=1," which /etc/group shows as: daemon:*:1:daemon A second test message was sent. Reconfiguring with daemon (GID 1) took care of the error message, but now Mailman won't respond to e-mail. A message sent to the list (or to [list-request] seems to be handed off to mail/wrapper correctly: Oct 31 22:24:17 straylight sendmail[60410]: fA16OFf60410: from=<michelle(a)eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<a05001916b80699e20711(a)[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140] Oct 31 22:24:18 straylight sendmail[60411]: fA16OFf60410: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", ctladdr=<songscape(a)straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent It's acting as if /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper isn't executing, because no mail is sent out after this point. /usr/local/mailman# ls -al mail total 20 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 23:02 . drwxrwsr-x 18 mailman mailman 512 Oct 31 14:55 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 17969 Oct 31 23:02 wrapper I'm coming up empty, here. If you have any ideas as to what the problem could be, please cc me as I am not a mailman-users subscriber. I hope someone can point me in the right direction, because at this point I'm muttering to myself. That's a bad sign. .\\ichelle --------------------- Michelle Brownsworth System Administrator PrimeLogic Corporation http://www.primelogic.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 feature questions
by Dan Mick Nov. 1, 2001

Nov. 1, 2001

> I'm a longtime Smartlist admin who's migrating to Mailman 2.0.6 and I've > got a few questions regarding features: > > I have several legitimate 'non-opt-out' type of lists; Ie: our department > wants to make sure that *every* faculty member is given a certain message, > so we use a smartlist mailing list. I've configured it so that users can > not unsubscribe from that list - they have to contact us directly [and we > only unsub someone if they are quitting]. Is there a way to do this in > Mailman? Not until 2.1, but yes. > Also, seeing as someone may want to get around that by putting > themselves on permanent vacation, is there any way to disable that feature > as well? Not without hacking, but it's probably a small amount of hacking. A reasonable RFE. > Is there any way to have a reduced-feature admin w3 page? Ie: I'd like to > give a non-tech person the ability to add/delete users, but nothing more. > I don't want them to change the site URL, name of the list, etc, etc. Again, not until 2.1, but 2.1 has the concept of "moderators"; here's the description of what they can do: The list moderators have more limited permissions; they are not able to change any list configuration variable, but they are allowed to tend to pending administration requests, including approving or rejecting held subscription requests, and disposing of held postings. Of course, the list administrators can also tend to pending requests. I think this does not, at present, allow direct subscription by the moderator, but since the moderator can format up an email message and send it, and then approve it, effectively he can do one-off requests. Adding the ability to change the subscriber list only would be a reasonable RFE. Looks like it currently grants the ability to deal with admin requests, to see archives, and to see the membership roster. > Is there a way to either globally or on a per-list basis, customize some > of the auto-reply text? I notice you can prepend some text to some of the > auto-replies, but how 'bout replacing the entire auto-reply message > itself? Again, in 2.1 it's easier; the list messages are internationalized, and as part of that process they can now be made list-specific with a specifically-defined search order: # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places # that are searched, in this order: # # 1. the list-specific language directory # lists/<listname>/<language> # # 2. the domain-specific language directory # templates/<list.host_name>/<language> # # 3. the site-wide language directory # templates/site/<language> # # 4. the global default language directory # templates/<language>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
by Dan Mick Nov. 1, 2001

Nov. 1, 2001

First, try setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py (read about it in Defaults.py). If that makes them show up, then check their web_page_url with this: bin/config_list -o - <listname> | grep web_page_url If that doesn't show a path, then the list is using DEFAULT_URL (in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py). If the URL doesn't match www.mysql.org, then there's your answer. > OK, then my question remains this: > > WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP?... I've set the permission on the > privacy page for each of the 4 lists on our server, yet they're not > showing up when I run http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo > > They are meant to be advertised lists yet they're not showing up. > > J. > > On Thu, 1 > Nov > 2001, Dan Mick wrote: > > > I don't understand this discussion. > > > > <host>/mailman/listinfo/ is indeed the default "list of > > known advertised lists". It's constructed on the fly by Mailman > > and should include every list that 1) matches <host> and 2) is > > advertised as "public". > > > > > ah so. > > > > > > understood... > > > > > > So.. there's no way, from within mailman, to create a mailman-generated > > > page which lists all the lists that that installation of mailman is > > > serving... > > > > > > gotcha... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > J. > > > > > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham wrote: > > > > > > > How do you advertise your mailing list? > > > > On your web site? > > > > To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to > > > > know about it. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman(a)connix.com > > > pgp public key: finger jfreeman(a)connix.com > > > http://www.threeofus.com > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman(a)connix.com > pgp public key: finger jfreeman(a)connix.com > http://www.threeofus.com > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >

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