Mailman 3 July 2001 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] help on user interface
by J C Lawrence 01 Aug '01

01 Aug '01

On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:32:24 +0530 Preeti Mehta <preeti.mehta(a)wipro.com> wrote: > i wanted to know if mailman has a user interface to create new > lists???? Yes -- it would be rather useless if you could never create a list wouldn't it? In the current version it is command line based. Depending on your choice of local MTA, it may or may not requite root access. In the next version of Mailman there is a web interface to list creation, which again, is somewhat subject to your MTA choice and configuration. -- J C Lawrence )\._.,--....,'``. ---------(*) /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. claw(a)kanga.nu `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly

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Migrating from YahooGroups to Mailman
by Sarah K. Miller 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

We're migrating some lists form YahooGroups to Mailman. Does anyone know of a way to automatically "slurp" all the messages off Yahoo and plop them into Mailman? The only way I've found to do it and retain the original information is cut and paste each one individually. That's a little overwhelming when you're looking at 1500+ messages. Yahoo was no help at all. If anybody here knows of a utility of some sort that would do it, please share! -- Sarah Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

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Re: [Mailman-Users] what DB format is config.db?
by Dan Mick 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

No, it's not. It's a Python 'marshaled' database of the MailList object. See MailList.py; all details are there. I highly recommend "hacking" config.db using, say, config_list rather than directly (assuming that the tools in bin/ don't have the functionality you need already). > I can't say since I've never checked but it's probably dbm or BerkeleyDB. > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Greg Schnippel wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to hack config.db and was wondering if > > anyone knew what DB format the file was.. ?

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infinite loop on bounce from postmaster to list
by Rich Ramos 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

We had an ugly situation occur yesterday. Here's the summary: 1. 1+ Meg email sent to list with no size limit 2. An email user, who has a ccMail account that forwards his mail on to another account outside the company, has his outside mailbox hit his quota limit. (This user is also digested) 3. The MTA at the receiving end that detects the over quota and sends an email back to the list itself (see below for mail headers as to why this might happen). 4. Mailman sends this email back to everyone on the list including the digested mail user, whose MTA then rejects the email for the same reason as before. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 about every 8 minutes. This loop continues until the system comes to a halt from a full /tmp directory. On every iteration the mail message grew a little bigger because the last email gets copied on to the reject message. There are a few problems here, but I'm not sure which problem is the wrong case and which solution I should pursue. Problem #1. ccMail changes the headers when it processes the mail. Here's the normal headers from a post to mailman (I've stripped the Received lines): From: Rich Ramos <rich(a)chi.mti.com> To: test(a)chi.mti.com Message-ID: <563517.996585740(a)[144.86.11.157]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0b3 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Test] test to show headers Sender: test-admin(a)chi.mti.com Errors-To: test-admin(a)chi.mti.com X-BeenThere: test(a)chi.mti.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:test-request@chi.mti.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:test@chi.mti.com> List-Subscribe: <http://chi.mti.com/mailman/listinfo/test>, <mailto:test-request@chi.mti.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: <test.chi.mti.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://chi.mti.com/mailman/listinfo/test>, <mailto:test-request@chi.mti.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://chi.mti.com/mailman/private/test/> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:22:20 -0500 Here's the way the headers get changed by ccmail: Message-Id: <0107319966.AA996603967(a)ccmgate.mti.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:22:20 -0700 From: Rich Ramos <rich(a)chi.mti.com> To: <test(a)chi.mti.com> Subject: [Test] test to show headers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary" As you can tell it's quite a bit different. However I'm not totally clear that even with the changed headers, that the destination MTA should have sent the bounce message back to the list. With the From: and To: headers the way they are why didn't the MTA send the bouce back to the From: address? Problem #2: The message was being delivered to a digested user, however the bounces happened every few minutes. Why didn't the digest get sent once and then not again until the next interval for the digest? Doesn't mailman have some mechanism to catch looping posts to a list? -Rich

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Mailman RPM?
by Jose Medeiros 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

Do you have an RPM for Mailman? Jose

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duplicate mails being sent out
by Frank Goossens 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

hi there; we've been using mailman internally for some time without much problems, and have now deployed it for a big customer of ours. the first time the customer used the system, mails were sent out flawlessly. but.. the second time (last week) the mail to the main mailing list (with approx. 7000 subscribed recipients) was sent out 3 times (although the administrator claims to have only submitted the mail once, which is apperantly confirmed by info in the log-files). moreover, 135 users received from 400 up to 1400 messages (mostly blanks!). the mails to other mailing lists (on the same server, same mailman, same sendmail) were sent out without any problems. our setup: red hat linux 7.0 sendmail 8.11.0/8.9.3 mailman 2.0.0 (configured to use sendmail) log-file-stuff: * in the post mailman-logfile we see a lot of post-entries, some with failure (whereas we only see one per mailing list in previous, successful run * in the error mailman-logfile we see stuff like: ---- Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): Traceback (innermost last): (--> first occurence) Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 278, in ? Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): kids = main(lock) Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 258, in main Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): mlist.Save() Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): self.__lock.refresh() Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): raise NotLockedError Jul 27 17:00:38 2001 qrunner(7422): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError Jul 28 00:08:05 2001 qrunner(10406): Traceback (innermost last): Jul 28 00:08:05 2001 qrunner(10406): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 280, in ? Jul 28 00:08:05 2001 qrunner(10406): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 295, in unlock Jul 28 00:08:05 2001 qrunner(10406): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 330, in locked Jul 28 00:08:05 2001 qrunner(10406): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 358, in __read Jul 28 00:08:05 2001 qrunner(10406): IOError : [Errno 23] Too many open files in system: '/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock' Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): Traceback (innermost last): Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 278, in ? Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): kids = main(lock) Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 258, in main Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): mlist.Save() Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): self.__lock.refresh() Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): raise NotLockedError Jul 28 01:32:45 2001 qrunner(12053): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError Jul 28 08:53:03 2001 qrunner(25212): Traceback (innermost last): Jul 28 08:53:03 2001 qrunner(25212): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 280, in ? Jul 28 08:53:03 2001 qrunner(25212): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 295, in unlock Jul 28 08:53:03 2001 qrunner(25212): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 330, in locked Jul 28 08:53:03 2001 qrunner(25212): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 358, in __read Jul 28 08:53:03 2001 qrunner(25212): IOError : [Errno 23] Too many open files in system: '/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock' Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): Traceback (innermost last): Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 278, in ? Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): kids = main(lock) Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 258, in main Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): mlist.Save() Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 842, in Save Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): self.__lock.refresh() Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): raise NotLockedError Jul 28 14:09:46 2001 qrunner(21463): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError ... ------ * and in the qrunner mailman-logfile we see a lot of these: Jul 26 08:40:02 2001 (6619) Could not acquire qrunner lock Jul 26 08:41:02 2001 (6627) Could not acquire qrunner lock does anyone have any idea at all what might have gone wrong? has anyone experienced anything like this as well? (i could only find 1 simular entry in the sourceforge-bugtrack-database, and it was for a 2.0 beta-version, the related bug is said to be fixed in the final release.) thanks for any input! kind regards, frank goossens ghent - belgium - europe

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Error 126 - Still no resolution?!
by Joe Jenkins 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

Hello everyone, I just installed the latest version of Python, Sendmail, and Mailman on my server.. Everything checks out except for when mailing the list.. Depending on how I set up things I get back failures.. Now, I have read the faq, and this had some information on the problem, but that didnt work for me... I've tried creating the wrapper (ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper) and I get the same error, even when my aliases point at this. I've tried disabled smrsh in sendmail, and I still get errors, ie Operation not permitted etc. I've toyed with the permissions of the symlink and the smrsh directory, all to no avail... I've set up mailman on several different systems before, all sucessful. This one is baffling me however... Server: RH Linux 7.0 Sendmail 8.11.4 Python 2.1.1 Mailman 2.0.6 Executing the wrapper from the command line gives no strange errors or failures... Any information on this would be very appreciated... Mailman has been bulletproof for me on all my other systems.. Thanks to you all! Joe Jenkins --- Errors: Using the symlink wrapper in smrsh: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd oldwalls" (reason: 126) (expanded from: <oldwalls-request(a)nerdnet.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- /bin/sh: /etc/smrsh/wrapper: Operation not permitted 554 5.3.0 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd oldwalls" ... unknown mailer error 126 Reporting-MTA: dns; gatekeeper.nerdnet.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; mail.nowalls.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:59:35 -0600 normal aliases: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd oldwalls" (reason: 126) (expanded from: <oldwalls-request(a)nerdnet.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- /bin/sh: /etc/smrsh/wrapper: Operation not permitted 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd oldwalls"... unknown mailer error 126 Reporting-MTA: dns; gatekeeper.nerdnet.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; mail.nowalls.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:51:49 -0600 smrsh disable in sendmail: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd oldwalls" (reason: 126) (expanded from: <oldwalls-request(a)nerdnet.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd oldwalls"... unknown mailer error 126 Reporting-MTA: dns; gatekeeper.nerdnet.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; mail.nowalls.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:53:16 -0600

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Archiver not stripping [foo] prefix
by Andrew Kuchling 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

Mailman 2.05 doesn't seem to strip the [foo] prefix from Subject: headers, resulting in an archive that looks like this: * [mems-talk] DRIE service? Lihua Li * [mems-talk] Developing high Aspect Ratio SU8 Photoresist Feteih(a)aol.com * [mems-talk] Information Mohammad Abbas Khan * [mems-talk] Bonding PDMS to SU-8 Jamil El-Ali * [mems-talk] Polyimide processing gururaj shenoy I vaguely recall Pipermail doing this way back when. Before I write a patch implementing it, can anyone remember if there's a reason it was taken out? --amk

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New user - Header domain deletion problem
by Dermot C Cassidy 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

Hi, We're new to mailman. We've set up a few mailing lists which largely work Ok but have one significant problem. We have a list called 'rcm.support'. Sendmail passes mail to mailman via the line: rcm.support:"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post rcm.support" in aliases. What sendmail hands over (i.e. what goes into the pipe above) will be a piece of mail with headers like: From: "Hogan, Denis" <Denis.Hogan(a)Compaq.com> To: "Support, RCM" <rcm_support(a)soggey.ilo.cpqcorp.net> Cc: "'dccassidy(a)eircom.net'" <dccassidy(a)eircom.net> (the underscore in 'rcm_support' is because it is being passed to rcm.support from an 'rcm_support' alias on another machine). Mailman then passes on the mail fine to members on the list. The problem, however, is that mailman changes the headers and removes some domain information. What ends up in the archive, and what gets passed on to mailing list members, is: From: "Hogan, Denis" <Denis.Hogan(a)Compaq.com> To: "Support, RCM" <rcm_support> Cc: "'dccassidy(a)eircom.net'" <dccassidy> The 'From' line is OK, but the 'To' and 'Cc' lines lack domain info in the angle brackets. When this mail is then being sent out to list members, sendmail then sees that domain information is missing and puts in the name of the localhost instead. Sometimes this will be right and sometimes wrong. Eg. we end up with headers like: From: "Hogan, Denis" <Denis.Hogan(a)Compaq.com> To: "Support, RCM" <rcm_support(a)fuse.ilo.cpqcorp.net> Cc: "'dccassidy(a)eircom.net'" <dccassidy(a)fuse.ilo.cpqcorp.net> in the outgoing mail. In this case the 'Cc' like is totally wrong. While the mail will get to the mailing list member, if they try to reply to all the recipients (including the Cc), some of the mail will bounce. If anyone knows how to resolve this problem, I'd be most grateful. Thanks in advance. Dermot -- Dermot Cassidy, Systems Engineer, MSE A&O Compaq ESC, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland. tel: +353-91-754678 / mailto:dermot.cassidy@compaq.com

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virtual hosting tactic
by Rodrigo Borges Pereira 31 Jul '01

31 Jul '01

Hi! I'm running a server that hosts a few domains. I already have mailman running for lists.mydomain.com, and it is working great. However, now i want to give users that host domains the ability to use lists.userdomain.com too, and each user has it's own mailman setup under his domain. What's the best tactic for this? I'm using Qmail and latest Mailman. TIA Rodrigo

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