Mailman 3 May 2004 - Mailman-Users

Advice for upgrading Mailman
by Michael Mansour May 8, 2004

May 8, 2004

Hi, I'm just after some advice and/or experiences from people here. I run mailman-2.0.13-3 on Red Hat 8, I know it's old which is why I'm asking for this upgrade path. I run several lists with archives. I have many Fedora Core 1 machines in production and they have installed mailman-2.1.4-1 but don't run any lists. I also have an Alpha machine running Debian (Woody) with mailman 2.0.11 installed on it. So my questions are: * should I look at upgrading to FC1's mailman or Debian (Alpha)? * if going to to FC1, what do I have to do to perform this? Note here that I'm keeping the RH8 mailserver (call it host1) but would like to "move" the lists, members and archives to FC1 (host2) and still have everything work. The reason I bring up the Alpha is that it's a powerful server which currently does nothing, I was thinking of serving Web pages or FTP site or something but then thought why not just move the mailman stuff to it. Any ideas, suggestions or comments are most welcome. I've never had to migrate mailman in the past so I'm not sure where to start exactly. Michael.

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cron problems
by Tik & Klik Internetdiensten May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

Hello, after 2 time im getting mailman 2.1.4 running but im getting a cron error: /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96 print >> fd, _(__doc__) ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax any idees, Greats Steffan

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List security
by Sean May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

Hi, I'm running a list on Mailman 2.1.3 and I am looking to secure my list as much as possible. I saw this in FAQ 3.11 (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp): A more secure alternative is for your approved posters to add an Approved header to their postings as a header, or as the first line of the post). I'd like to implement this but I'm uncertain to go about it. I'm pretty certain the content filtering options are where the test for the Approved header should go. My question is how can the header be added to the posting? Any insight or tips as to how this can be accomplished will be appreciated. Thanks, Sean

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line
by Geoff Powell May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

Jim, Thankyou, the code you have put forward makes sense and is what I wanted. After making a few small mods, it's now doing what I want. I have also found some other good examples of 'withlist' usage which helped. One further question though :), the permissions on most of Mailman's files on the system in /var/mailman are owned by root with gid of mailman, mask 0744. My question is, if I do not want to run my scripts as root, is it fine for me to modify the permissions on these files, or is this likely to cause unexpected results for the web front end/system python scripts? Even if I add users to the mailman group, they are unlikely to have full access to the mailman databases etc. Thanks & Regards Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt@onjapan.net] > Sent: Friday, 7 May 2004 12:57 PM > To: Geoff Powell > Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Change user settings through command line > > > On May 6, 2004, at 17:25, Geoff Powell wrote: > > > Is it possible with Mailman 2.1.4-1 to change user settings from a > > command line tool? For example set nomail to 1 for a user > on a mailing > > list? I looked in the bin directory and none of the > utilities appear > > to be designed to do this, does anyone have any suggestions? > > You can do this sort of thing with 'withlist'. > > $ bin/withlist -l -i mylist > m.setDeliveryStatus('user(a)domain.com', MailList.MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN) > m.Save() > {ctrl-D} > > If this is the sort of thing you are going to do often, you should > create a little Python script to remember the messy bits and > save some > typing. You could create a file called nomail.py containing: > > from Mailman.Errors import NotAMemberError > from Mailman.MemberAdaptor import BYADMIN > > def nomail(m, addr): > try: > m.setDeliveryStatus(addr, BYADMIN) > m.Save() > except NotAMemberError: > print 'No address matched:', addr > > Then to disable someone, do (either explicitly or with a script or > alias): > > $ bin/withlist -l -r nomail mylist user(a)domain.com > > -- > Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 > Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/ > Ringo MUG Tokyo http://www.ringo.net/rss.html > >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin URLs wrong
by Yogesh Subhash Talekar May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

you can change that mydomain.com to linuxbox.mydomain.com like this: Login as user mailman (or use "su - mailman"): % python -i bin/withlist -l mylist Loading list mylist (locked) >>> m.web_page_url 'http://mydomain.com/broken-path/' >>> m.web_page_url = 'http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/' >>> m.Save() >>> ^D That's it! --yogesh > > > I have a home network with a windows server plus a linux box as a > postfix mail server. The linux box is also my firewall / router so it > gets my static IP and an inside IP as the gateway (192.168.1.1). > Mailman is running and I created a list. I can go to > http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylistname and the list > admin page comes up, and lets me log in with my password. But all of > the links in the admin page point to http://mydomain.com/mailman, > etc... not http://linuxbox.mydomain.com. I made the destinction in > DNS so that I could have my linux web server at > http://linuxbox.mydomain.com because I have a windows web server > running on just the http://mydomain.com. > > So my question is what created the links in the admin site and how do > I make them point to my linux box. Is it Mailman, is it Apache? And > where do I change it? I already changed mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to > http://linuxbox.mydomain.com but it didnt seem to work. > > Thanks > SC > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner
by tikkliknl May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

Well it was a new install, but there was an old not used version pressent. i installed python 2.3.3 looking at ps -aux i see this: mailman 28884 0.1 0.9 5964 4792 ? S 22:55 0:00 python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start mailman 28885 2.8 0.8 5736 4600 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28886 3.0 0.8 5748 4612 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28887 2.8 0.8 5740 4596 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28888 2.8 0.8 5744 4600 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28889 3.1 0.8 5752 4636 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28890 2.9 0.9 5764 4668 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28891 2.9 0.8 5744 4600 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s mailman 28892 3.3 0.8 5736 4600 ? S 22:55 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python2.3 /home/mailman/bin/qrunner -- runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s only thing i changed was when starting mailmanctl it looked for qrunner but he didnt find it so i put t there fronm the install files. thanxs steffan. > Hello did a new install of mailman 2.1.4 now cron gives this error > > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 96 > print >> fd, _(__doc__) > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > any idees > what version of python are you running? the README says MM 2.1.x normally operates its qrunners as daemons, unlike MM 2.0.x which used a cron executed qrunner. You appear to have a cron based qrunner yet say you are running a newly installed MM 2.1.4. Did you install this over an earlier MM 2.0.x install and if so did you remove the old crontab before installing the one for the newer release?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives
by Franco, Ruben May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

What about the stuff in "$MAILMANHOME/archives/public/$LISTNAME"? -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces(a)python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Detlef Neubauer Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:37 AM To: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Delete list archives "Franco, Ruben" <rufranco(a)utep.edu> writes: > I have a list admin that wishes to delete all archives for a > particluar list but the admin interface does not have such an > option. Can I simply delete the files found in the "archives" > sub-directory? No. But you can delete the $MAILMANHOME/archives/private/$LISTNAME directory. Mit freundlichen Gruessen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin URLs wrong
by Yogesh Subhash Talekar May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

you can change that mydomain.com to linuxbox.mydomain.com like this: Login as user mailman (or use "su - mailman"): % python -i bin/withlist -l mylist Loading list mylist (locked) >>> m.web_page_url 'http://mydomain.com/broken-path/' >>> m.web_page_url = 'http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/' >>> m.Save() >>> ^D That's it! --yogesh > > > I have a home network with a windows server plus a linux box as a > postfix mail server. The linux box is also my firewall / router so it > gets my static IP and an inside IP as the gateway (192.168.1.1). > Mailman is running and I created a list. I can go to > http://linuxbox.mydomain.com/mailman/admin/mylistname and the list > admin page comes up, and lets me log in with my password. But all of > the links in the admin page point to http://mydomain.com/mailman, > etc... not http://linuxbox.mydomain.com. I made the destinction in > DNS so that I could have my linux web server at > http://linuxbox.mydomain.com because I have a windows web server > running on just the http://mydomain.com. > > So my question is what created the links in the admin site and how do > I make them point to my linux box. Is it Mailman, is it Apache? And > where do I change it? I already changed mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to > http://linuxbox.mydomain.com but it didnt seem to work. > > Thanks > SC > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: Mailman and Postfix question
by Yogesh Subhash Talekar May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Mailman and Postfix question From: "Yogesh Subhash Talekar" <yogesh(a)unipune.ernet.in> Date: Thu, May 6, 2004 2:11 pm To: <james(a)hdcs.com.au> Mailman Installation and Configuration Howto: 1. Make sure that all software required to run mailman is already installed (python etc) 2. Remove old mailman with: #rpm e mailman 3. Remove the directory: # rm rf /var/lib/mailman 4. Again create empty directory mailman: #mkdir /var/lib/mailman 5. Make sure that a user mailman and group mailman exists 6. Set permissions of /var/lib/mailman with setgid: #chown mailman.mailman /var/lib/mailman # chmod a+rx ,g+ws /var/lib/mailman 7. Create /var/mailman to hold mailman archives, list configs, etc: # mkdir /var/mailman ; chgrp mailman /var/mailman # chmod a+rx,g+ws /var/mailman 8. Configure and build mailman as user mailman: # su - mailman $ tar zxf /tmp/mailman-2.1.x.tgz; cd mailman-2.1.x $ ./configure --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/mailman --with-cgi-gid=nogroup $ make install 9. As root do following: Create a file /etc/httpd/mailman.conf with following contents: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /archives/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ <Directory /var/mailman/archives> Options +FollowSymLinks </Directory> 10. And the add following line to the bottom of the file suse_include.conf (or httpd.conf): Include /etc/httpd/mailman.conf 11. Also copy the mailmans icons to Apache: cp /var/lib/mailman/icons/* /srv/www/icons/ 12. Setup crontab file required for mailman: # cat ~mailman/cron/crontab.in | sed -e 's# /# mailman /#' > /etc/cron.d/mailman # chmod 600 /etc/cron.d/mailman 13. If required add following mailman aliases to /etc/aliases and then run newliases command: mailman: root mailman-owner: mailman 14. Add a site-wide list mailman with command: /var/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman And also give one email ID for administrator 15. Add entry for /var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl daemon in /etc/rc.d/ and /etc/rc3.d/ so that the daemon start when machine boots 16. Set the mailman password (e.g. to mydomain321): # /var/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass mydomain321 17. Add the mailman alias map to postfix-out, so edit /etc/postfix-out/main.cf and add hash:/var/mailman/data/aliases to the alias_maps line and run 'postfix reload' (Remove anyother hash map labeled as mailman if the corresponding file does not exist) 18. Set the mailman delivery scripts to be executable: # chmod +x /var/lib/mailman/scripts/* 19. Change following line in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py as follows: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mydomainmail.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = '57.193.32.72' Install and configure Apache: 1. Check weather its is already installed with rpm qa | grep apache 2. # mkdir /var/log/httpd 3. # chown nobody.nobody /var/log/httpd/ 4. Start apache using # /etc/rc.d/apache start 5. Creating a new list: 1. Run /var/lib/mailman/bin/newlist and answer prompts accordingly. If your are adding a new list named test@mydomainmail.com, it will output following lines on the screen: test: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test" test-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" test-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" test-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" test-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join test" test-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave test" test-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner test" test-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request test" test-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test" test-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test" 2. Login as user mailman (important) and Add these lines to /var/mailman/data/aliases and then run $ /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases 3. Edit the file /var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg to suit your requirements. You can also save it as mailman-list.cfg to have configuration of mailman list or save it as any-other-list.cfg to save configuration specific to that list. 4. Then you can configure the this new list called mailman using: /var/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -i /var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg mailman 5. Syntax is:/path/to/config_list -i /var/mailman/data/any-other-list.cfg listname 6. Changes for working with Postfix: 1. Add following two lines to main.cf owner_request_special = no unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 2. Add this to the bottom of the $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: MTA = 'Postfix' 3. Look at the Defaults.py file for the variables POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD and POSTFIX_MAP_CMD command. Make sure these point to your postalias and postmap programs respectively. Remember that if you need to make changes, do it in mm_cfg.py 4. Virtual Domains: We are setting up lists.mydomainmail.com for mailing lists 5. Add a line lists.mydomainmail.com DOMAIN to /etc/postfix-out/virtual 6. In main.cf add line virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix-out/virtual, hash:/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman 7. Set POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS variable accordingly in mm_cfg.py For Web-based Admin Interface: links http://localhost/mailman/admin/ylist > > Hello everybody :-), > > Very very very newbie here, I am looking at using mailman with my > postfix setup and I looked through some of the howto's on the net on > how to set it up but they don't seem very newbie friendly, can anyone > suggest a very basic howto to setup mailman with postfix, I just need > it for 1 list for a few email addresses on a very simple setup. > > Thank you in advance. > > James --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One RAID to backup them all, one RAID to find them, one RAID to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Get mails from external POP3 accounts
by Håkon Strandenes May 7, 2004

May 7, 2004

I have a Linux server running Mailman, Postfix and Fetchmail. I'm running this at home for a small sailing club, with approximately 10 messages/day. The problem is that I have dynamic IP, and only a no-ip.com basic account. But the sailing club is so lucky that they have a domain, a web/mailserver and unlimited number of pop3 accounts. So my question is: How can I set up mailman/postfix to get mails form another, external pop3 account via fetchmail? I've already made the pop3 accounts, like listname-users(a)domain.com, listname-admins(a)domain.com etc. But how do I configure fetchmail, postfix and mailman? Best regards Håkon Strandenes, Norway

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