Mailman 3 December 2006 - Mailman-Users

Using demime with Mailman
by Hank van Cleef Dec. 31, 2006

Dec. 31, 2006

I'm in the process of setting up a system to host Mailman lists which will replace another system at another site. The other site has sent me a copy of their /usr/lib/mailman tree, so I can examine their configuration and copy list-specific files, and have a Beta-test version running. Major problem with all of the funny-formats included in mails these days. Mails from specific users are just being passed through with no reformatting. On the old site, it's clear that Demime is being used. However, I can find nothing in the old Mailman tree indicating that it's installed. Hank For reference: Mailman 2.1.9 Python 2.5 Solaris 8 9/05 on Sun Ultra 10 (Sparc system) Sun Studio 11 devsys used to compile. Old configuration: Mailman-2.1.4 Migration was to build a new 2.1.4 tree, create the list, than move the old list's config.pck to the new one. Then install 2.1.9 as an upgrade to the 2.1.4 tree. -- Hank van Cleef (vancleef(a)lostwells.net, hvanclee(a)nyx.net)

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Mailman with searchable Mhonarc archives
by Fred H Olson Dec. 30, 2006

Dec. 30, 2006

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 Barry Warsaw wrote in a message: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!) > And now you see why Pipermail never gets much better. ;) > > I'm not blaming you personally of course, it's just that I think when > people feel enough pain from Pipermail, rather than try to scratch > that itch, they'd rather spend the time integrating a better archiver. > > I've always said that Pipermail is bundled solely to make it easy for > people to have a complete solution out of the box. I don't have much > interest in bundling some other (non-Python) archiver with the source > distro, although I'd have no problems with downstream packagers doing > that if they wanted to. I dont know anything about bundling distros and such but I am very pleased with the installation my ISP ( http://justcomm.org/#tigertech ) has of Mailman with searchable Mhonarc archives. I wish someone would create such a package. With 25,000 messages of http://lists.cohousing.org/archives/cohousing-L/ or a little list with my sibs when I wanted to find when my son's cat died... they just work. I only have list owner access to the MM web admin interface (plus my ISP's admin interface to create a new MM list). But I only have to request special assistance once in a while. Fred, http://justcomm.org -- Fred H. Olson Minneapolis,MN 55411 USA (near north Mpls) Communications for Justice - My new listserv org. UU, Linux My Link Page: http://fholson.cohousing.org Ham radio:WB0YQM fholson at cohousing.org 612-588-9532 (7am-10pm Central time)

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cron logrotate error
by Benjamin Melançon Dec. 29, 2006

Dec. 29, 2006

Hello Mailman experts, Here's a nice, low-key, thoroughly unimportant error (I hope). It's caused because /var/lib/texmf doesn't exist (although we have more files than anyone could want in /usr/share/texmf). Does anyone know offhand the proper resolution? This is on CentOS (red hat enterprise 4) with an rpm-installed Mailman and with Webmin. Here's the full issue with cron: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mailman/bounce /var/log/mailman/digest /var/log/mailman/error /var/log/mailman/post /var/log/mailman/smtp /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure /var/log/mailman/qrunner /var/log/mailman/locks /var/log/mailman/fromusenet /var/log/mailman/subscribe /var/log/mailman/vette /etc/cron.daily/tetex.cron: error: lstat() of directory /var/lib/texmf failed: No such file or directory Thank you very much, ben Agaric Design Collective Open Source Web Development http://AgaricDesign.com/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 67
by AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER Dec. 28, 2006

Dec. 28, 2006

I am, since talking to you developing errors galore in my system, with same boundry messages and it has serious effect not just some undirected emails and is getting worse. I will take care of but the time jibes with when i visited you guys,it looks to be some sort of protected streaming messages that attach to other folders, and I can actually see things in my directories that are new but larger than this thing appeared to be when i first saw it.I think its a bug. and i think your place where came from,and i think it duplicates files creating situation to prompt some user action it needs and your file just hidden. one other thing it mentions bios exploit, thought bios safe like real safe? If you watch assoc. list in exe. can see more files if wait an hour.anyway if fixed disregard ,if not gl. P>S it also says tony zhang. you guys dont sound chinese but fyi. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post
by Stephen J. Turnbull Dec. 28, 2006

Dec. 28, 2006

Noah writes: > thanks for following up. we just solved the problem. Good! > it was a misused wildcard in the mailman filter rules. I might > have missed it but it feels like there is not enough verbose output > in the mailman logs files to tell me that a message was filtered > and an entry explaining the corresponding filter rule. I agree, but fixing that will require hacking the main sources. The problem is that currently there is no place to record a reason in the "event" that occurs when a message is discarded. I don't think it is "hard", but it will require one of the core developers. If you can explain what it is you want, then a post to the bug tracker http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=103 would probably help a lot of people (I think anybody who hasn't lost data to an inappropriate wildcard probably never had any data to lose!), if something can be implemented. Besides the basic "log the rule" request, the important thing I can think of is where you would expect to see the log message. There's a similar existing bug at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=908819&group_id=10… and a related patch http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=869394&group_id=10… Neither is quite what you asked for, though.

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mailman not sending post
by Noah Dec. 28, 2006

Dec. 28, 2006

Hi there, mailman-2.1.9 sendmail 8.13.8 python-2.4.3 freebsd-4.11 Mailman has been running on my machine for years. I host about 50 or so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for some of them. recently mailman has not mailed posts to a specific list, and I cant figure out why. I see the mailman post mail being accepted by sendmail and piped to mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. No trace of the post in the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the /usr/local/mailman/logs/post I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman error logs. subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work fine like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com gets piped |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe <listname> just fine by sendmail mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as well. there is one file in the /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from october 7th 2006. Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all other lists. I really am not sure what else to check. cheers, Noah

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 66
by AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER Dec. 27, 2006

Dec. 27, 2006

Sorry wont reply again was just the reason for the problem earlier was trying to send you guys but guess its fixed,wasnt q.ty On 12/27/06, AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER wrote: ( a whole lot. Snipped. ) Please, do not reply to digests and include the entire digest. I have no idea what you were trying to ask, because I am not going to read through however many pages of text that is to find out. -- - Patrick Bogen ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 64
by AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER Dec. 27, 2006

Dec. 27, 2006

they created ghost log over weekend then were corrected by teacher or w/ever admin is. --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. mailman not sending post (Noah) > 2. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > trailing empty > line (Noah) > 3. OS X Permissions Help. (Chris Florio) > 4. mailman not sending post (Noah) > 5. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > trailing empty > line (Noah) > 6. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > trailing empty > line (Stephen J. Turnbull) > 7. Re: BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no trailing > empty line (Brad Knowles) > 8. Re: mailman not sending post (Brad Knowles) > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:28:07 -0800 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post > > Hi there, > > mailman-2.1.9 > sendmail 8.13.8 > python-2.4.3 > freebsd-4.11 > > > Mailman has been running on my machine for years. > I host about 50 or > so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for some > of them. > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a specific > list, and I cant > figure out why. > I see the mailman post mail being accepted by > sendmail and piped to > mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. No > trace of the post in > the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post > > I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman > error logs. > > subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work > fine > like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com > gets piped > |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > <listname> just fine by sendmail > mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as well. > > there is one file in the > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from > october 7th 2006. > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all > other lists. I > really am not sure what else to check. > > cheers, > > Noah > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:52:52 -0800 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > terminating boundary and no > trailing empty line > > freebsd-4.11 > sendmail-8.13.8 > mailman-2.1.9_1 > python-2.4.3 > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > error trace in > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about every > hour or so or > sometimes minutes apart. > > > --- snip --- > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > message: > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > exception: No terminating > boundary and no trailing empty line > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Traceback (most recent > call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", > line 100, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = > self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", > line 164, in > dequeue > msg = email.message_from_string(msg, > Message.Message) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", > line 51, in > message_from_string > return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 75, in parsestr > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > headersonly=headersonly) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 240, in > _parsebody > msgobj = self.parsestr(part) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 75, in parsestr > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > headersonly=headersonly) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 265, in > _parsebody > msg = self.parse(fp) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 206, in > _parsebody > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > trailing empty line > > --- snip --- > > > From: Chris Florio <cflorio(a)citadel97.com> > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:13:45 -0500 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] OS X Permissions Help. > > Hello all, > > I'm trying to get mailman working on my intel based > Mac Mini running > 10.4.8 (NOT OS X Server). I'm running Postfix > configured using > http://cutedgesystems.com/software/MailServe/ > > I have configured and installed mailman using some > instructions I > found here: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045697.html > > The problem is, it looks like i have a group or > ownership problem > somewhere. > > As the instructions said, I configured using: > > sudo ./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman > --with-cgi-gid=www -- > with-mail-gid=mailman > > > Using the instructions from the list I found, I am > getting this error > posting to a list I created: > > ... > > The Postfix program > > <alumni(a)citadel97.com>: Command died with status 2: > "/Applications/mailman/mail/mailman post > alumni". Command > output: Group > mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be > executed as > group "mailman", but the system's mail server > executed the mail > script as > group "www". Try tweaking the mail server to > run the script as > group > "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the > command line option > `--with-mail-gid=www'. > > > ... > > So, I tried again using: > > sudo ./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman > --with-cgi-gid=www -- > with-mail-gid=www > > And then I get this error: > > The Postfix program > > <alumni(a)citadel97.com>: Command died with status 2: > "/Applications/mailman/mail/mailman post > alumni". Command > output: Group > mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail > wrapper script to be > executed as > group "www", but the system's mail server > executed the mail > script as group > "mailman". Try tweaking the mail server to run > the script as > group "www", > or re-run configure, providing the command > line option > `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. > > .... > > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:01:59 -0800 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post > > Hi there, > > mailman-2.1.9 > sendmail 8.13.8 > python-2.4.3 > freebsd-4.11 > > > Mailman has been running on my machine for years. > I host about 50 or > so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for some > of them. > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a specific > list, and I cant > figure out why. > I see the mailman post mail being accepted by > sendmail and piped to > mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. No > trace of the post in > the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post > > I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman > error logs. > > subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work > fine > like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com > gets piped > |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > <listname> just fine by sendmail > mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as well. > > there is one file in the > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from > october 7th 2006. > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all > other lists. I > really am not sure what else to check. > > cheers, > > Noah > > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:02:06 -0800 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > terminating boundary and no > trailing empty line > > freebsd-4.11 > sendmail-8.13.8 > mailman-2.1.9_1 > python-2.4.3 > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > error trace in > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about every > hour or so or > sometimes minutes apart. > > > --- snip --- > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > message: > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > exception: No terminating > boundary and no trailing empty line > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Traceback (most recent > call last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", > line 100, in _oneloop > msg, msgdata = > self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", > line 164, in > dequeue > msg = email.message_from_string(msg, > Message.Message) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", > line 51, in > message_from_string > return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 75, in parsestr > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > headersonly=headersonly) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 240, in > _parsebody > msgobj = self.parsestr(part) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 75, in parsestr > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > headersonly=headersonly) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 265, in > _parsebody > msg = self.parse(fp) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > File > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line > 206, in > _parsebody > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > trailing empty line > > --- snip --- > > > > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> > CC: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > To: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:21:17 +0900 > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > terminating boundary and > no trailing empty line > > Noah writes: > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > error trace in > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about > every hour or so or > > sometimes minutes apart. > > Probably for the same reason you repeatedly post to > Mailman Users: it > wants attention to its pain. > > For future reference, the folks (not me! I show up > when I feel like > it) who monitor this list are knowledgeable and > conscientious, in the > extreme, and it is *very* rare that posts get > dropped on the floor. > Typical response times are in the range 30 minutes > to 36 hours, > depending on random factors. > > Check that your post has appeared in the archives, > and if so, give it > a day at least. Don't waste the interval; read the > FAQ[1], search the > list archives (a search for the error message, in > this case "Ignoring > unparseable message", is strongly recommended), > collect more log data, > etc. If your post doesn't appear within a day, you > may wish to send > mail to the list administrator. It's possible that > your post got > inadvertantly snagged by a spam filter, and you'll > need help getting > past that. > > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > message: > > > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > > The hash code above identified the problem message. > I believe you > will find a file by that name (with extension .pck) > in the "qfiles" > directory of your Mailman data area, and if you move > it somewhere > else, Mailman will stop complaining. It happens > regularly because > Mailman tries to process the files in that directory > on a regular > basis, until all deliveries scheduled for it are > complete. > > It's possible that you are the target of a spambot, > in which case you > may not find the file (because it's been shunted to > the "shunt" > directory), and you will see that all the message > IDs are different in > the logs, because the spambot is sending a new copy > at hourly > intervals. > > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > exception: No terminating > > boundary and no trailing empty line > > You've got a badly-formed MIME message in the queue. > It could be > spam, it could simply be the product of a Microsoft > mail client, it > could be broken by a relay MTA, or it could be that > you ran out of > diskspace and it got truncated (seems unlikely, > given the care that > Postfix and Mailman take to not do such things). > > Use the bin/show_qfiles script to examine the > contents of that file. > Simply changing to the mailman data area (on my > Debian system it's > /var/lib/mailman, YMMV) running bin/show_qfiles > without arguments will > give you a usage message. > > > Footnotes: > [1] The whole thing, both the static one and the > FAQ Wizard. If it's > not important enough to read the whole FAQ, which > isn't as much fun as > a Sidney Sheldon novel but is also much shorter, it > probably can wait > a day or a week. > > > > From: Brad Knowles <brad(a)shub-internet.org> > CC: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > To: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:23:47 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > terminating boundary and > no trailing empty line > > At 12:21 PM +0900 12/27/06, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > > > For future reference, the folks (not me! I show > up when I feel like > > it) who monitor this list are knowledgeable and > conscientious, in the > > extreme, and it is *very* rare that posts get > dropped on the floor. > > Typical response times are in the range 30 > minutes to 36 hours, > > depending on random factors. > > This is the day after Christmas. Any time anyone is > posting to any > mailing list for the two to three week period of > time starting a few > days before Christmas and ending a few days after > the first of > January, it's going to be slow. During these times, > people who post > to the list can count on replies taking a lot longer > to be posted. > > -- > Brad Knowles, <brad(a)shub-internet.org> > > Trend Micro has announced that they will cancel the > stop.mail-abuse.org > mail forwarding service as of 15 November 2006. If > you have an old > e-mail account for me at this domain, please make > sure you correct that > with the current address. > > > From: Brad Knowles <brad(a)shub-internet.org> > To: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com>, > Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:29:02 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending > post > > At 4:01 PM -0800 12/26/06, Noah wrote: > > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a > specific list, and I cant > > figure out why. > > You've recently posted a few times to this list, on > two separate > subjects. I strongly suspect that these two issues > are actually > related -- what you're not finding in this > particular case is likely > to be the stuff you are finding in the other case. > > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to > all other lists. I > > really am not sure what else to check. > > Check all other unusual activity. Look in all the > logs that Mailman > creates, and all the system log files that may be > created by your MTA. > > Make sure to take a look in the FAQ wizard -- > there's lots of good > troubleshooting tips in there. In fact, I recommend > that you search > on the word "troubleshooting", among other things. > > -- > Brad Knowles, <brad(a)shub-internet.org> > > Trend Micro has announced that they will cancel the > stop.mail-abuse.org > mail forwarding service as of 15 November 2006. If > you have an old > e-mail account for me at this domain, please make > sure you correct that > with the current address. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 65
by AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER Dec. 27, 2006

Dec. 27, 2006

when migrating archive did twice on accident,we used to call a sink hole. --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 64 > (AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER) > 2. Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 64 > (AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER) > > From: AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER > <ambrose_christopher(a)yahoo.com> > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 04:59:05 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, > Vol 34, Issue 64 > > > --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > > > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > > mailman-users(a)python.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide > Web, > > visit > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > check last couple days mail,you have answer,is > double up. > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 2. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 3. OS X Permissions Help. (Chris Florio) > > 4. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 5. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 6. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Stephen J. Turnbull) > > 7. Re: BoundaryError: No terminating boundary > and > > no trailing > > empty line (Brad Knowles) > > 8. Re: mailman not sending post (Brad Knowles) > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:28:07 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post > > > > Hi there, > > > > mailman-2.1.9 > > sendmail 8.13.8 > > python-2.4.3 > > freebsd-4.11 > > > > > > Mailman has been running on my machine for years. > > > I host about 50 or > > so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for > some > > of them. > > > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a > specific > > list, and I cant > > figure out why. > > I see the mailman post mail being accepted by > > sendmail and piped to > > mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. > No > > trace of the post in > > the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post > > > > I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman > > error logs. > > > > subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work > > fine > > like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com > > gets piped > > |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > > <listname> just fine by sendmail > > mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as > well. > > > > there is one file in the > > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from > > october 7th 2006. > > > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all > > other lists. I > > really am not sure what else to check. > > > > cheers, > > > > Noah > > > > > > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:52:52 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > > terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > > > > freebsd-4.11 > > sendmail-8.13.8 > > mailman-2.1.9_1 > > python-2.4.3 > > > > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > > error trace in > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about > every > > hour or so or > > sometimes minutes apart. > > > > > > --- snip --- > > > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > > message: > > > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > > exception: No terminating > > boundary and no trailing empty line > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Traceback (most > recent > > call last): > > File > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", > > line 100, in _oneloop > > msg, msgdata = > > self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", > > line 164, in > > dequeue > > msg = email.message_from_string(msg, > > Message.Message) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", > > line 51, in > > message_from_string > > return Parser(_class, > strict=strict).parsestr(s) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 240, in > > _parsebody > > msgobj = self.parsestr(part) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 265, in > > _parsebody > > msg = self.parse(fp) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 206, in > > _parsebody > > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > === message truncated ===> From: AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER > <ambrose_christopher(a)yahoo.com> > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 05:02:57 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, > Vol 34, Issue 64 > > they created ghost log over weekend then were > corrected by teacher or w/ever admin is. > --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > > > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > > mailman-users(a)python.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide > Web, > > visit > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 2. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 3. OS X Permissions Help. (Chris Florio) > > 4. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 5. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 6. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Stephen J. Turnbull) > > 7. Re: BoundaryError: No terminating boundary > and > > no trailing > > empty line (Brad Knowles) > > 8. Re: mailman not sending post (Brad Knowles) > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:28:07 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post > > > > Hi there, > > > > mailman-2.1.9 > > sendmail 8.13.8 > > python-2.4.3 > > freebsd-4.11 > > > > > > Mailman has been running on my machine for years. > > > I host about 50 or > > so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for > some > > of them. > > > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a > specific > > list, and I cant > > figure out why. > > I see the mailman post mail being accepted by > > sendmail and piped to > > mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. > No > > trace of the post in > > the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post > > > > I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman > > error logs. > > > > subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work > > fine > > like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com > > gets piped > > |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > > <listname> just fine by sendmail > > mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as > well. > > > > there is one file in the > > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from > > october 7th 2006. > > > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all > > other lists. I > > really am not sure what else to check. > > > > cheers, > > > > Noah > > > > > > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:52:52 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > > terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > > > > freebsd-4.11 > > sendmail-8.13.8 > > mailman-2.1.9_1 > > python-2.4.3 > > > > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > > error trace in > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about > every > > hour or so or > > sometimes minutes apart. > > > > > > --- snip --- > > > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > > message: > > > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > > exception: No terminating > > boundary and no trailing empty line > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Traceback (most > recent > > call last): > > File > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", > > line 100, in _oneloop > > msg, msgdata = > > self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", > > line 164, in > > dequeue > > msg = email.message_from_string(msg, > > Message.Message) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", > > line 51, in > > message_from_string > > return Parser(_class, > strict=strict).parsestr(s) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 240, in > > _parsebody > > msgobj = self.parsestr(part) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 265, in > > _parsebody > > msg = self.parse(fp) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 206, in > > _parsebody > > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > === message truncated ===> ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 65
by AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER Dec. 27, 2006

Dec. 27, 2006

Hi, sorry kind of a software idiot or rather not up on your terms for things ,im kinda self taught , wont bother you guys again but like to read,what i meant is i believe this issue relevant to your present problem. thnx/////// Sat, 23 Dec 2006 04:36:06 +0100/////////////////dont remember issue # but that was time on it. --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 64 > (AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER) > 2. Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 34, Issue 64 > (AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER) > > From: AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER > <ambrose_christopher(a)yahoo.com> > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 04:59:05 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, > Vol 34, Issue 64 > > > --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > > > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > > mailman-users(a)python.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide > Web, > > visit > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > check last couple days mail,you have answer,is > double up. > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 2. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 3. OS X Permissions Help. (Chris Florio) > > 4. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 5. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 6. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Stephen J. Turnbull) > > 7. Re: BoundaryError: No terminating boundary > and > > no trailing > > empty line (Brad Knowles) > > 8. Re: mailman not sending post (Brad Knowles) > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:28:07 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post > > > > Hi there, > > > > mailman-2.1.9 > > sendmail 8.13.8 > > python-2.4.3 > > freebsd-4.11 > > > > > > Mailman has been running on my machine for years. > > > I host about 50 or > > so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for > some > > of them. > > > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a > specific > > list, and I cant > > figure out why. > > I see the mailman post mail being accepted by > > sendmail and piped to > > mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. > No > > trace of the post in > > the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post > > > > I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman > > error logs. > > > > subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work > > fine > > like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com > > gets piped > > |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > > <listname> just fine by sendmail > > mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as > well. > > > > there is one file in the > > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from > > october 7th 2006. > > > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all > > other lists. I > > really am not sure what else to check. > > > > cheers, > > > > Noah > > > > > > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:52:52 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > > terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > > > > freebsd-4.11 > > sendmail-8.13.8 > > mailman-2.1.9_1 > > python-2.4.3 > > > > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > > error trace in > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about > every > > hour or so or > > sometimes minutes apart. > > > > > > --- snip --- > > > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > > message: > > > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > > exception: No terminating > > boundary and no trailing empty line > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Traceback (most > recent > > call last): > > File > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", > > line 100, in _oneloop > > msg, msgdata = > > self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", > > line 164, in > > dequeue > > msg = email.message_from_string(msg, > > Message.Message) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", > > line 51, in > > message_from_string > > return Parser(_class, > strict=strict).parsestr(s) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 240, in > > _parsebody > > msgobj = self.parsestr(part) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 265, in > > _parsebody > > msg = self.parse(fp) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 206, in > > _parsebody > > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > === message truncated ===> From: AMBROSE CHRISTOPHER > <ambrose_christopher(a)yahoo.com> > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 05:02:57 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, > Vol 34, Issue 64 > > they created ghost log over weekend then were > corrected by teacher or w/ever admin is. > --- mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > > > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > > mailman-users(a)python.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide > Web, > > visit > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 2. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 3. OS X Permissions Help. (Chris Florio) > > 4. mailman not sending post (Noah) > > 5. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Noah) > > 6. BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and > no > > trailing empty > > line (Stephen J. Turnbull) > > 7. Re: BoundaryError: No terminating boundary > and > > no trailing > > empty line (Brad Knowles) > > 8. Re: mailman not sending post (Brad Knowles) > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:28:07 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending post > > > > Hi there, > > > > mailman-2.1.9 > > sendmail 8.13.8 > > python-2.4.3 > > freebsd-4.11 > > > > > > Mailman has been running on my machine for years. > > > I host about 50 or > > so lists with virtual hostnames being sued for > some > > of them. > > > > recently mailman has not mailed posts to a > specific > > list, and I cant > > figure out why. > > I see the mailman post mail being accepted by > > sendmail and piped to > > mailman but mailman does nothing with the post. > No > > trace of the post in > > the /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp or the > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/post > > > > I cant find a related trace dumped in the mailman > > error logs. > > > > subscribes and unsubscribes piped to mailman work > > fine > > like mail sent to <listname>-subscribe(a)domain.com > > gets piped > > |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe > > <listname> just fine by sendmail > > mailman sends a confirmation mail just fine as > well. > > > > there is one file in the > > /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory from > > october 7th 2006. > > > > Mailman properly handles and delivers posts to all > > other lists. I > > really am not sure what else to check. > > > > cheers, > > > > Noah > > > > > > > > > > > From: Noah <admin2(a)enabled.com> > > To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:52:52 -0800 > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] BoundaryError: No > > terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > > > > freebsd-4.11 > > sendmail-8.13.8 > > mailman-2.1.9_1 > > python-2.4.3 > > > > > > any clues why mailman keeps dumping the following > > error trace in > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error ? Happens about > every > > hour or so or > > sometimes minutes apart. > > > > > > --- snip --- > > > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Ignoring unparseable > > message: > > > 1166121349.6141329+c811d30798575d4ca57b9a0552a1d394a95c8ff1 > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Uncaught runner > > exception: No terminating > > boundary and no trailing empty line > > Dec 26 08:27:28 2006 (75889) Traceback (most > recent > > call last): > > File > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", > > line 100, in _oneloop > > msg, msgdata = > > self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", > > line 164, in > > dequeue > > msg = email.message_from_string(msg, > > Message.Message) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", > > line 51, in > > message_from_string > > return Parser(_class, > strict=strict).parsestr(s) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 240, in > > _parsebody > > msgobj = self.parsestr(part) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 75, in parsestr > > return self.parse(StringIO(text), > > headersonly=headersonly) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 265, in > > _parsebody > > msg = self.parse(fp) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 64, in parse > > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File > > "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", > line > > 206, in > > _parsebody > > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no > > trailing empty line > === message truncated ===> ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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