Mailman 3 June 2010 - Mailman-Users

Mail server integration question - Solution
by Cornelius Romein 23 Jun '10

23 Jun '10

I recently subscribed to the above list and found this question about mail server integration. There didn't seem to be an answer for it, so I hope this helps. It is possible to integrate an email server running Exchange 2003 with a second email server running Mailman. For convenience , the servers will be referred to as exchange.server.com and mailman.server.com (substitute your own as required) Mailman.server.com is taken to run Linux/Unix These are the steps that made it work for me. Update your MX records to read server.com MX preference = 0, mail exchanger = exchange.server.com server.com MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mailman.server.com You need a secondary (i.e. mailman.server.com) MX record to make this work. Open up the Exchange Systems Manager and go to Administrative Groups/First Administrative Group/Servers/ServerName/Protocols/SMTP/Default SMTP Virtual Server Right-click and select Properties. (left)-click on the Messages tab and enter mailman.server.com where it says: 'Forward all mail with unresolved recipients to host' Click ok. If you have configured your Exchange Server to send a copy of Non-Delivery Reports to the Administrator email address, you need to setup an administrator(a)server.com address on mailman.server.com as well and make this the default address for any emails that couldn't be delivered (i.e. those causing an NDR). In the Exchange Systems Manager, go to Administrative Groups/First Administrative Group/Routing Group/first routing group/connectors/POP3 Connector Manager and right-click again to access its properties, type mailman.server.com as the email server and fill in the username (i.e. Administrator) and password as required. The Exchange Mailbox should be Administrator. Click on the Scheduling tab and create a schedule as appropriate. The minimum is always every 15 minutes, but you can create a custom schedule to download the emails at different rates during the course of the day. On the Exchange Server, select start/run, type services.msc and press enter. Select Microsoft Exchange Routing Engine and press Restart the service Select Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) and press Restart the service Once you have made these changes, your Exchange Server will continue acting as your organisation's main email server as before, but any messages destined for Mailman (e.g. list-owner(a)server.com, list-request(a)server.com, etc )will be passed on automatically and handled by Mailman. Finally, please note that mailman.server.com will become responsible for all NDRs as *any* emails that cannot be handled by exchange.server.com are forwarded to mailman.server.com Kind regards, Cornelius Romein

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public/private listinfo pages
by Michael Anderson 23 Jun '10

23 Jun '10

Hello, I have several lists on the same server, all with the same domain name. I currently have a public "listinfo" page which displays only selected lists that have the "advertise" option enabled. How can I set up a second private (protected with .htaccess) page which shows all of the lists? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Anderson IT Services & Support elego Software Solutions GmbH Gustav-Meyer-Allee 25 Building 12.3 (BIG) room 227 13355 Berlin, Germany phone +49 30 23 45 86 96 michael.anderson at elegosoft.com fax +49 30 23 45 86 95 http://www.elegosoft.com Geschaeftsfuehrer: Olaf Wagner, Sitz Berlin Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg, HRB 77719, USt-IdNr: DE163214194

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Postings under one Mailman instance not seen by the other?
by Dwight A. Ernest 23 Jun '10

23 Jun '10

I assist in the administration of several servers running Mailman, and have been active in this way for longer than I care to remember. I got rusty in the last few years, though, and during that period everything was ticking along rather well. I was recently called upon to assist following the migration of one such Mailman instance from a server on which I'd patched it for various things (like searchable archives, etc.), to a server on which it was running a straight Redhat RPM version, with no patching. I was asked to retrofit the patches to the new instance. I approached it by pulling the patched sources over to the new server, building them, and changing the path to the patched version, leaving the RPM version in place. The data were kept in a directory tree separate from the executables, which simplified things. After some trial and error, it appeared to be working right. I neglected, however, to change the home directory for the mailman user to the new executable path. Another sysadmin, though aware of my work, innocently executed ~mailman/bin/genaliases, which came from the old RPM instance. This caused the aliases file to grab the old path to the '.../mail/mailman post' programs. List postings succeeded, according to the MTA logging, but no postings actually went out. It took almost 24 hours for the problem to be noticed, but only a few minutes to put it right. In the meantime, over 200 posted messages were lost. I can't find any trace of them in the qfiles directory. If possible, I'd love to find them and process them under the patched MM instance. I don't understand what happened to them. It seems to me that if the data repository was shared between the two executables instances, there should be a good chance that they were processed. I can find no trace in either the RPM-related log files, nor the patched-source-related log files. Ideas? Thanks. -Dwight

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Replies from non-members getting posted to list set to allow posts by subscribers only
by Anthony R. Thompson 22 Jun '10

22 Jun '10

Actually, another test post I sent to a list with a similar configuration just got *posted*, based solely on the Reply-To header (list configuration appended below). When I posted from artx(a)sigilservices.com to this other list, which is not subscribed to the list, it got properly rejected (with the nonmember_rejection_notice text). HOWEVER, when I changed the Reply-To (in the Thunderbird account settings) to athomps(a)adf.org, which /is/ subscribed to the list, it got *posted* to the list. Is there something I'm missing here - is this normal behavior? It doesn't seem to me like someone should be able to post a message to a private list just by changing the Reply-To field to an address they know is on the private list. thanks, Anthony config_list -o - adf-mg | egrep -v '#' | egrep -v '^ *$' real_name = 'ADF-MG' owner = ['adfx(a)adf.org', 'drumx(a)yahoo.com', 'athomps(a)adf.org'] moderator = [] description = 'ADF-MG Mailing List' info = '' subject_prefix = '[adf-mg] ' anonymous_list = False first_strip_reply_to = 1 reply_goes_to_list = 1 reply_to_address = '' umbrella_list = False umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner' send_reminders = 0 welcome_msg = 'Please note: All ADF electronic forums are moderated; the moderation policy is located at http://www.adf.org/forums/lists/moderation.html and you can always reach a human being at adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org' send_welcome_msg = 0 goodbye_msg = 'If there are any reasons you chose to leave the list that you would like to share, please feel free to email us at adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org or adf-members-advocatex(a)adf.org' send_goodbye_msg = 0 admin_immed_notify = True admin_notify_mchanges = 1 respond_to_post_requests = 1 emergency = 0 new_member_options = 0 administrivia = True max_message_size = 0 admin_member_chunksize = 50 host_name = 'lists.adf.org' include_rfc2369_headers = 1 include_list_post_header = 1 max_days_to_hold = 0 preferred_language = 'en' available_languages = ['en'] encode_ascii_prefixes = 0 nondigestable = True msg_header = '' msg_footer = """___________________________________________________________ Unsub: http://www.adf.org/forums/unsubscribe.html?%(list_name)s List archives: http://lists.adf.org/archives/%(list_name)s/ Moderation policy: http://www.adf.org/forums/moderation.html Questions? Mail a human being at ADF-Listmasterx(a)ADF.ORG""" scrub_nondigest = False regular_exclude_lists = [] regular_include_lists = [] digestable = True digest_is_default = False mime_is_default_digest = False digest_size_threshhold = 50 digest_send_periodic = True digest_header = '' digest_footer = """___________________________________________________________ Unsub: http://www.adf.org/forums/unsubscribe.html?%(list_name)s List archives: http://lists.adf.org/archives/%(list_name)s/ Moderation policy: http://www.adf.org/forums/moderation.html Questions? Mail a human being at ADF-Listmasterx(a)ADF.ORG""" digest_volume_frequency = 3 advertised = 0 subscribe_policy = 2 unsubscribe_policy = 0 ban_list = [] private_roster = 1 obscure_addresses = 0 default_member_moderation = 0 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = 'If you have any questions about this notice, please contact adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org' accept_these_nonmembers = [] hold_these_nonmembers = [] reject_these_nonmembers = [] discard_these_nonmembers = [] generic_nonmember_action = 2 forward_auto_discards = 0 nonmember_rejection_notice = """You attempted to post to an ADF mailing list you do not appear to be subscribed to.""" require_explicit_destination = 1 acceptable_aliases = '' max_num_recipients = 8 header_filter_rules = [] bounce_matching_headers = '' bounce_processing = True bounce_score_threshold = 5.0 bounce_info_stale_after = 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = True bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True archive = True archive_private = 1 archive_volume_frequency = 3 nntp_host = '' linked_newsgroup = '' gateway_to_news = 0 gateway_to_mail = 0 news_moderation = 0 news_prefix_subject_too = 1 autorespond_postings = 0 autoresponse_postings_text = '' autorespond_admin = 0 autoresponse_admin_text = '' autorespond_requests = 0 autoresponse_request_text = '' autoresponse_graceperiod = 90 filter_content = 1 filter_mime_types = '' pass_mime_types = '' filter_filename_extensions = """exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl""" pass_filename_extensions = '' collapse_alternatives = True convert_html_to_plaintext = True filter_action = 1 topics_enabled = 0 topics_bodylines_limit = 5 topics = [] list_members adf-mg robbx(a)illious.com athenax(a)gmail.com athomps(a)adf.org savagex(a)syzygytraining.com kirkx(a)mac.com drlindax(a)aol.com lipx(a)chainolakescamp.com dragonx(a)hotmail.com drumx(a)lycos.com seamusx(a)gmail.com lenex(a)zoomtown.com kipx(a)dragonskeep.us

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Replies from non-members getting posted to list set to allow posts by subscribers only
by Anthony R. Thompson 22 Jun '10

22 Jun '10

On 6/21/2010 12:25 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> At one point I had an address (chiraelx(a)gmail.com) which was subscribed >> to the list (adf-www). > Do you mean (as implied by your access to the inbox) that this is your > personal address? Yeah, one of several :) > If so, I don't know if GMail allows this, but is it possible that you > configured that account to automatically have an Approved header? No, but... This reminded me that I had set the Reply-To for chiraelx(a)gmail.com to athomps(a)adf.org (this account). So I just removed the Reply-To in the Gmail settings, and tried posting again, and got the expected rejection notice - yay. However, this raised another question - why did the Reply-To setting affect the behavior of Mailman? So, I tried posting to this list (adf-www) from a completely unrelated account, artx(a)sigilservices.com. As expected, I got the post sent back to me with the nonmember_rejection_notice text. BUT, when I sent a post from artx(a)sigilservices.com with a Reply-To of athomps(a)adf.org (which *is* subscribed to the adf-www) list, instead of getting a rejection notice back to artx(a)sigilservices.com, instead "Your message to ADF-WWW awaits moderator approval" was sent to athomps(a)adf.org! This is very weird behavior - it's weird that Mailman would behave differently when the From has not changed, but the Reply-To header has, especially since it's so easy to set that to anything one wants. I guess my initial issue is resolved, since I had forgotten about setting the Reply-To in GMail - and I do apologize for that. But it's still odd that Mailman would act differently based on the value in the Reply-To field, unless I'm not understanding something correctly. Thanks Stephen, and Mark too, for your help. (And while I'm at it, how do I request a feature for a future release? I was glad that there is a nonmember_rejection_notice field, but would have really liked to see a nonmember_hold_notice field too!) thanks, Anthony

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Replies from non-members getting posted to list set to allow posts by subscribers only
by Anthony R. Thompson 21 Jun '10

21 Jun '10

I have a list which is set to reject posts from non-members (see settings below). At one point I had an address (chiraelx(a)gmail.com) which was subscribed to the list (adf-www). However, I unsubscribed it from the list sometime yesterday. The list_members command confirmed that it is not subscribed to the list: adf@lists:~$ list_members adf-www adfrobbx(a)illious.com ashipkowskix(a)gmail.com athenamsbx(a)gmail.com athompsx(a)adf.org cefarrowx(a)gmail.com crystalx(a)cedarlight.org druidkirkx(a)mac.com knottydragonx(a)hotmail.com mjdx(a)chronarchy.com nightdrumx(a)lycos.com pegx(a)castingtherunes.com selenex(a)zoomtown.com skipx(a)dragonskeep.us walks_alonex(a)hotmail.com smgoochx(a)hotmail.com I went into the inbox of that account, chiraelx(a)gmail.com, which is not a subscriber, and *replied* to one of the posts it had received when it *was* on the list. I expected to get a rejection notice back since chiraelx(a)gmail.com isn't a subscriber but... the post went through. I got it at the athompsx(a)adf.org address, I looked at the headers and it was sent From chiraelx(a)gmail.com with adf-www in the To and Reply-To fields, with adf-www-bounces in the sender field. Further, I confirmed it by checking the mbox file for the list. Amazed, I used list_members to confirm that chiraelx(a)gmail.com was not a subscriber, then replied to a different message (received when it /had/ been on the list), and that message went through too! At this point I was paranoid that the list would allow anyone in the world to post, but when I tried posting from a different address (which had never been on the list at all), I got back the expected rejection notice. I then posted from my athompsx(a)adf.org address, which /is/ a subscriber on the list, to see whether chiraelx(a)gmail.com would get the post, and I got the post back, it was added to the mbox file, but chiraelx(a)gmail.com did /not/ get the post. So what I'm left with is a non-subscriber, which used to be a subscriber, apparently able to post to a list I'm pretty sure is configured to only allow posts from subscribers. Does anyone have any experience or insight into this? I searched the archives but couldn't find anything similar. thanks, Anthony (I put x at the end of the user portion of various email addresses in this post just to spam protect them as I don't know how the archives for this list are configured) List settings: config_list -o - adf-www | egrep -v '#' | egrep -v '^ *$' real_name = 'ADF-WWW' owner = ['adfx(a)adf.org', 'drumx(a)yahoo.com', 'athompsx(a)adf.org'] moderator = [] description = 'ADF-WWW Mailing List' info = '' subject_prefix = '[adf-www] ' anonymous_list = False first_strip_reply_to = 1 reply_goes_to_list = 1 reply_to_address = '' umbrella_list = False umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner' send_reminders = 0 welcome_msg = 'Please note: All ADF electronic forums are moderated; the moderation policy is located at http://www.adf.org/forums/lists/moderation.html and you can always reach a human being at adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org' send_welcome_msg = 0 goodbye_msg = 'If there are any reasons you chose to leave the list that you would like to share, please feel free to email us at adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org or adf-members-advocatex(a)adf.org' send_goodbye_msg = 0 admin_immed_notify = True admin_notify_mchanges = 1 respond_to_post_requests = 1 emergency = 0 new_member_options = 0 administrivia = True max_message_size = 0 admin_member_chunksize = 50 host_name = 'lists.adf.org' include_rfc2369_headers = 1 include_list_post_header = 1 max_days_to_hold = 0 preferred_language = 'en' available_languages = ['en'] encode_ascii_prefixes = 0 nondigestable = True msg_header = '' msg_footer = """___________________________________________________________ Unsub: http://www.adf.org/forums/unsubscribe.html?%(list_name)s List archives: http://lists.adf.org/archives/%(list_name)s/ Moderation policy: http://www.adf.org/forums/moderation.html Questions? Mail a human being at ADF-Listmasterx(a)ADF.ORG""" scrub_nondigest = False regular_exclude_lists = [] regular_include_lists = [] digestable = True digest_is_default = False mime_is_default_digest = False digest_size_threshhold = 50 digest_send_periodic = True digest_header = '' digest_footer = """___________________________________________________________ Unsub: http://www.adf.org/forums/unsubscribe.html?%(list_name)s List archives: http://lists.adf.org/archives/%(list_name)s/ Moderation policy: http://www.adf.org/forums/moderation.html Questions? Mail a human being at ADF-Listmasterx(a)ADF.ORG""" digest_volume_frequency = 3 advertised = 0 subscribe_policy = 2 unsubscribe_policy = 0 ban_list = [] private_roster = 1 obscure_addresses = 0 default_member_moderation = 0 member_moderation_action = 0 member_moderation_notice = 'If you have any questions about this notice, please contact adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org' accept_these_nonmembers = [] hold_these_nonmembers = [] reject_these_nonmembers = [] discard_these_nonmembers = [] generic_nonmember_action = 2 forward_auto_discards = 0 nonmember_rejection_notice = 'If you have any questions about this notice, please contact adf-listmasterx(a)adf.org' require_explicit_destination = 1 acceptable_aliases = '' max_num_recipients = 8 header_filter_rules = [] bounce_matching_headers = '' bounce_processing = True bounce_score_threshold = 5.0 bounce_info_stale_after = 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = True bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True archive = True archive_private = 1 archive_volume_frequency = 3 nntp_host = '' linked_newsgroup = '' gateway_to_news = 0 gateway_to_mail = 0 news_moderation = 0 news_prefix_subject_too = 1 autorespond_postings = 0 autoresponse_postings_text = '' autorespond_admin = 0 autoresponse_admin_text = '' autorespond_requests = 0 autoresponse_request_text = '' autoresponse_graceperiod = 90 filter_content = 1 filter_mime_types = '' pass_mime_types = '' filter_filename_extensions = """exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl""" pass_filename_extensions = '' collapse_alternatives = True convert_html_to_plaintext = True filter_action = 1 topics_enabled = 0 topics_bodylines_limit = 5 topics = []

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Replies from non-members getting posted to list set to allow posts by subscribers only
by Anthony R. Thompson 20 Jun '10

20 Jun '10

I forgot to add that I'm using Mailman 2.1.11 if that's important. thanks, Anthony -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Replies from non-members getting posted to list set to allow posts by subscribers only Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:09:10 -0400 From: Anthony R. Thompson <athomps(a)adf.org> I have a list which is set to reject posts from non-members (see settings below)...

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Removing Moderator Approval
by Greg Zilberfarb 19 Jun '10

19 Jun '10

Hi, I've looked and looked and can't find the answer to this. I am the volunteer webmaster for my homeowners association and run about 50 lists. They all come to me for moderator approval! I want to totally eliminate moderator intervention and let the emails fly as they may from list members and non-members alike. But how?? Thank you, Greg Zilberfarb Chantilly Highlands Volunteer Webmaster 703-779-4890 www.chha.org

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"mailing list probe message"
by Lee Underwood 18 Jun '10

18 Jun '10

Apologies if this problem has been dealt with before but I am unable to find an answer anywhere in the archives. I received an e-mail from a subscriber with the following message that he had received from our mailing list (sent by the list automatically). The message said, in part: ====== This is a probe message. You can ignore this message. The Tmflist mailing list has received a number of bounces from you, indicating that there may be a problem delivering messages to knutsons(a)new.rr.com. A bounce sample is attached below. Please examine this message to make sure there are no problems with your email address. You may want to check with your mail administrator for more help. ......... ====== I have never seen this before and, since our mailing list was set-up by the Web host, I'm not familiar with the set-up. I did see something about a probe in the archives but it was talking about something else. I'm concerned because the letter to the subscriber also contained his password, along with 121 other subscriber's e-mail addresses (the mailing list is over 8,000 subscribers). Any help would be appreciated. What is it that I am supposed to do to stop these e-mails being sent with the other addresses. (The list is a bit "sensitive" as far as who the subscribers are.) Thanks! Lee

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sendmail issues
by Paul Flower 17 Jun '10

17 Jun '10

Apologies if this problem has been dealt with before but I am unable to find an answer anywhere in the archives. Problem is this: I can create a new mailing list no problems and subscribe a handful of users to it and send out email without any dramas but as soon as I import the entire mailing list subscribers (152 members so not big by any stretch of the imagination) nothing goes out. It all appears to work fine but no emails go out. This is driving me nuts so any help would be greatly appreciated. Mailman smtp log - Jun 17 20:23:58 2010 (2599) <001d01cb0e17$ebfc2c80$c3f48580$(a)com.au> smtp to members for 152 recips, completed in 14.395 seconds Mailman post log - Jun 17 20:23:58 2010 (2599) post to members from paul(a)amdaat.com.au, size=24613, message-id=<001d01cb0e17$ebfc2c80$c3f48580$(a)com.au>, success Regards Paul

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