Mailman 3 October 2012 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients
by Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes 25 Oct '12

25 Oct '12

Citando "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org>: > > Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes writes: > > Searching google I found that this error isn't related to the number of > users in the list, it occurs because the total number of addresses in the > To: and Cc: headers of the post equals or exceeds > max_num_recipients. > > The operational issues have already been addressed well in other > posts. However the above statement is incorrect, and needs > clarification. > > The items visible in your personal mail client (MUA) in the To:, Cc:, > and Bcc: fields are usually called "addresses" or "addressees". These > are different from "recipients", which are the addresses that the > host-to-host mail program (MTA) sends to. Mailman "explodes" the > list's *address* into a large number of *recipients*, and asks the MTA > to deliver to that whole list of recipients, or to chunks of it as > Mark explains elsewhere. You will in general never see the list of > recipients of a post unless you look at the MTA's logs. > > By the way, there's nothing wrong with your understanding of plain > English, in which "address" and "recipient" are pretty much the same. > However, in technical discussion these words are often distinguished > as above. > > But in documentation is said that if this option is set to 0 it has > no limit. > > The limit you are running into here is not in Mailman, it is in the > MTA. Mailman cannot tell the MTA what to do; it can only > restrictitself to a small enough number that the MTA will cooperate > with it. > Ok, I was still getting the errors because in my hurry I put SMTP_MAX_RCPS instead of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. I corrected this and restarted both mailman and postfix, now I don't get any errors in smtp-failure and in post I get this (with no failures): Oct 24 12:29:30 2012 (6788) post to contas from xxx(a)xxx.xxx, size=2458, message-id=<20121024122919.11874kw8jiq8t16n(a)xxx.xx.xx>, success In my mail.log I see this for one of the members of the list in the exact moment I posted to the list: Oct 24 12:29:30 xxx postfix/smtp[9530]: 722F2292F8: to=<xx(a)xx.xx>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10023, conn_use=10, delay=0.5, delays=0.15/0.23/0/0.13, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok, id=10090-06-10, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as DD12C292F6) Oct 24 12:31:25 xxx cyrus/lmtp[11051]: duplicate_mark: <20121024122919.11874kw8jiq8t16n(a)xxxx.xxx> .xxx+@.sieve. 1351089085 0 Oct 24 12:31:25 xxx postfix/pipe[9565]: DD12C292F6: to=<xx(a)xx.xx>, relay=cyrus, delay=115, delays=0.03/89/0/25, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via cyrus service) But the message never appears in the user's mailbox. Other messages sent by users appears normallly in mailbox. Some users receive the messages sent by mailman, for these users i see this in mail.log: Oct 25 08:15:30 srv-mail-pel postfix/smtp[5459]: B4E2429275: to=<xx(a)xx.xx>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10023, conn_use=2, delay=0.49, delays=0.19/0.01/0/0.29, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok, id=04730-12-2, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 1BEFD292E1) Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_check: <20121025081521.Horde.NWZiHUv4Cn9QiRE5nCOzRSA(a)xx.xx.xx> user.rodrigoantunes 0 Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_check: <20121025081521.Horde.NWZiHUv4Cn9QiRE5nCOzRSA(a)xx.xx.xx> user.rodrigoantunes 0 Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_mark: <20121025081521.Horde.NWZiHUv4Cn9QiRE5nCOzRSA(a)xx.xx.xx> user.rodrigoantunes 1351160369 14881517650057856560 Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: Delivered: <20121025081521.Horde.NWZiHUv4Cn9QiRE5nCOzRSA(a)xx.xx.xx> to mailbox: user.rodrigoantunes Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_mark: <20121025081521.Horde.NWZiHUv4Cn9QiRE5nCOzRSA(a)xx.xx.xx> .rodrigoantunes+@.sieve. 1351160369 0 Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel postfix/pipe[5469]: 1BEFD292E1: to=<rodrigoantunes(a)xx.xx.xx>, relay=cyrus, delay=239, delays=0.1/215/0/24, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via cyrus service) I'm totally confused why this is happening...

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mailman running very slow
by Richard Shetron 24 Oct '12

24 Oct '12

Yes I've tried to research via google, etc. I've run through the page at: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.78+Troubleshooting-+No+mail+going+out+to… I'm running ubuntu with mailman 2.1.14 and things seem to be taking forever. Until a few days ago things were running fine. There have been no config/system changes. One of the things I'm seeing is is the smtp log file: Oct 23 13:42:13 2012 (19673) <7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b148(a)marchreport.com> smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 for 2 recips, completed in 168.029 seconds That seem to be a very long time for processing a list. Also mailing from a week ago are starting to come through, but I thought I'd removed all of them from both the mailq and from mailman. I thought I new how to cancel/remove older mailings, but it seems not. How do you cancel old mailings? I've cleared the postfix queue and I thought I'd cleared the mailman qfiles. I'm also occasionally getting the following error in the smtp-failure log: Oct 24 06:00:01 2012 (29638) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted system call'), msgid:<7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b148(a)marchreport.com> We're using ubuntu with postfix. python processes: mailman 4576 0.0 0.0 9608 4792 ? Ss 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start mailman 4577 0.0 0.0 9552 6456 ? S 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4578 0.0 0.1 17420 14696 ? S 06:00 0:01 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4579 0.0 0.0 9528 6436 ? S 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4580 0.0 0.0 9544 6444 ? S 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4581 0.0 0.0 9520 6488 ? S 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4582 0.2 0.1 14628 11964 ? S 06:00 0:25 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4583 0.0 0.1 12332 9688 ? S 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4584 0.0 0.0 9512 6448 ? S 06:00 0:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s mailman 4585 0.0 0.0 9728 6904 ? S 06:00 0:08 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=MaildirRunner:0:1 -s another error in smtp-failure: Oct 24 09:37:18 2012 (4582) All recipients refused: {'mmm5000(a)aol.com': (503, '5.5.1 Error: nested MAIL command')}, msgid: <7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b148(a)marchreport.com> The SMTP settings in mm_cfg.py: MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' SMTPPORT = 587 #SMTPHOST = 'mail.marchreport.com' Just did this change from name to ip SMTPHOST = '71.244.124.123' postfix listens on 587: master.cf:587 inet n - n - 120 smtpd

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meaning of data in mailman smtp file
by Richard Shetron 24 Oct '12

24 Oct '12

What does this line really mean and why does it take so long to run? Oct 23 06:03:01 2012 (1870) <7.0.1.0.0.20121016133607.0469b148(a)marchreport.com> smtp to marchreport_daily_alert_ctc10 for 2 recips, completed in 168.022 seconds Thanks

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Too many recipients
by Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes 24 Oct '12

24 Oct '12

Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the list itself), I get these: In mailman's smtp logs: Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) <xxxxxxx> smtp to contas for 828 recips, completed in 1.705 seconds In mailman's post logs: Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) post to contas from xxx@xxxx, size=3620, message-id=<xxxxxxx>, 450 failures In mailman's smtp-failure logs: Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) delivery to xxx@xxxxx failed with code 452: 4.5.3 Error: too many recipients In my mm_cfg.py I have this: DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 0 Any ideas?

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iMailModerate 1.1.0
by Manuel Weiel 21 Oct '12

21 Oct '12

Hi together, a new version of iMailModerate is available. It brings iPhone 5 and iOS 6 support. Also the member-list is now not fully loaded (which can be too slow on big lists), but will be dynamically loaded. I'm preparing a bigger update in the near future. iMailModerate is the best way to moderate mails and manage subscribers on the iPhone. If you don't already own iMailModerate you can get it here: http://cl.ly/DyCl Best regards, Manuel Weiel

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confirming address subscriptions in email?
by Dennis Carr 21 Oct '12

21 Oct '12

A curiousity for you guys. I know that I can subscribe new users by doing the following: To: foo-l-request(a)chez-vrolet.net set authenticate password-goes-here subscribe address=user(a)somewhere.com end ...but if my list is set to admin confirm, I need to go to the web interface. I do not see a way in the documentation to do this via email only. Is there a hidden way? -Dennis Carr

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Manipulate mailman in / out queue
by Xueshan Feng 20 Oct '12

20 Oct '12

Is it safe to move files in and out of the mailman's qfile/in, qfile/out directory while the qrunners are running? We are having an empty 'in' queue, but huge out queue. There might be bad messages stuck somewhere. I saw some posts in past that you can move files to another place, move them back in batches and try to identify which is bad. Can you do that (drop in files, or move the files out), while the service is running, without crashing service or lost data? Thanks! Xueshan -- Xueshan Feng Infrastructure Delivery Group, IT Services Stanford University

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Mail going out to only 1 member
by Dave Jones 19 Oct '12

19 Oct '12

I have a list named "supt" with 252 members that received an email that only went out to 1 recipient. After looking at the mailman smtp logs, I am seeing a number of lists that are only sending to a single recipient but have dozens to hundreds of members. Nothing is showing up in the "post" log for these problem lists. How do I troubleshoot this deeper? I still have many lists that seem to be working properly and actually have entries in the post log. Postfix maillog =============== Oct 10 10:36:12 lists postfix/qmgr[11957]: B1E055055B7: from=<prvs=16239220b8=abc.xyz(a)theirdomain.com>, size=95926, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 10 10:36:12 lists postfix/local[14994]: B1E055055B7: to=< supt(a)lists.mydomain.com>, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.02/0/0/0.12, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post supt) Mailman smtp log ================ Oct 10 10:36:15 2012 (15296) < mailman.550.1349883373.15294.supt(a)lists.mydomain.com> smtp to supt for 1 recips, completed in 0.022 seconds # list_members supt | wc -l 252

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Content Filtering
by Roger Richmond 19 Oct '12

19 Oct '12

Hello all. I'm list administrator for a new UK healthcare mailing list. I want to add a disclaimer to all emails as a footer, and have set it up in the non Digest Options. I also want the footer to appear in the body of the email, not as an attachment. If I set Content Filtering to "Yes" This works. The other content filtering options are: Pass Mime Types- multipart multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain image Remove attachments- exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl Edit collapse alternatives and Edit convert HTML are both YES. The problem - one of the recipients' messages keeps bouncing with this error message: The attached message matched the ukmastocytosissupport_ukmasto.org mailing list's content filtering rules and was prevented from being forwarded on to the list membership. You are receiving the only remaining copy of the discarded message. Emails bounce when there is no attachment and when the subject and content are just "Test". If I revert to no content filtering the footer is sent as an attachment. The only difference I can see is that the email address is of the format <mailto:"Christian%20name"@"Surname".net> "Christian name"@"Surname".net Any help would be greatly appreciated. Roger

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command line import dupes option
by Dan Young 19 Oct '12

19 Oct '12

Is there a way to on/off the dupes option via command line? Possibly withlist? Or better yet, when I import a file of users can I set dupes unchecked? I currently do this via command line with a text file not through web admin. Thanks, Dan -- ProWeb Associates, Inc. <http://www.ProWebAssociates.com> 717-207-7125 ext 101 1-800-892-5136 ext 101

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