Mailman 3 November 2016 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Expressions to reduce spam
by Cyndi Norwitz 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 11/13/2016 07:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Or to get more than one tld with one regexp >> >> *.*\.(site|win|othertop)$ > > Ooops. Should be > > ^.*\.(site|win|othertop)$ Thanks to everyone who replied! I want to clarify that I don’t own or run the server. My ISP (sonic.net) has Mailman installed for customers to use. I can not configure it and I can’t affect what emails reach the Mailman software. Sonic is pretty good at walking that line between getting rid of spam and not having false positives, but there’s a lot that still gets through. As for "everyone should learn regular expressions”... Sure, maybe. But I think it’s overkill. I mean I don’t require all my soap customers to learn the chemistry of saponification. Doing it all from scratch every time also leads to mistakes. Example: Mark’s simple typo above. If even an expert can mess it up... I mean, when I started making websites back in the mid-1990's, I hand-coded in HTML. I could switch to my browser to see where I messed up (cause you will always mess up), go back, fix, try again. Now I use Dreamweaver. I can still go into the code whenever I want to tweak things, but I don’t have to for the day to day stuff (thank God) and I can do things that are a lot more complex because of it. I don't know what percentage of Mailman list owners are those who have this skillset. I’m going to guess a fairly low percentage because when someone takes the time to install it on their own server, they often invite friends, family, and people they work with (orgs, etc) to make lists. Then there are all the list owners using it from an ISP or a server they don’t have a personal connection with. It would be nice to be able to reduce the amount of spam that comes in for moderation without having to learn a brand new skill or bother the root access person each time. Anyway, I know you have a lot on your plate, just putting it out there. Cyndi

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DMARC-related bounces due to AOL sender; from_is_list or anonymous_list?
by Matt Morgan 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

On one of our lists, we are recently getting a lot of bounces related to AOL's DMARC policy. We're probably getting them on all our lists, actually, it's just that this list had a pretty stiff bounce-disabling config, so we noticed it more there. I understand that my choices for fixing this are either from_is_list or anonymous_list, and since this is an old server (2.1.12) that I recently took over (I have to stop using that excuse soon, I know), I can't do from_is_list. I need to update desperately. In other recent discussions, though, I seen that Microsoft in particular is starting to make trouble even with from_is_list, i.e., when the sender and reply-to don't match, with the expectation being that one day their warnings will become rejections. In that light, should I just be moving to anonymous_list anyway? Training users to identify themselves in the body of their messages seems like the potential big issue there. Anything else? Thanks, Matt

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my messages not appearing on the digest or single messages
by Marvin Hunkin 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

Hi. subscribe to a list called chat-request(a)list.ntxability.org, when I send my messae and get a digest or individual messages, I do not see my message. So any ideas. Have contacted the owner, joe Hudson, but he says that having a copy of my own message is enabled. Any ideas. Marvin. Marvin Hunkin Blind Information Technology Student <http://www.upskilled.edu.au> http://www.upskilled.edu.au

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Changing MTAs on Mailman box
by Bryan Carbonnell 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

Hi All, I am looking at changing our MTA from Sendmail to Postfix. The physical box is staying the same, nothing is changing other than the MTA on the box. Is there anything on the Mailman side that I need to do after the change? I looked at the Postfix integration section in the installation manual, http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html and am just a bit unsure if these are the steps to take since this is an existing Mailman installation. Thanks for an pointers. Bryan -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb(a)gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!"

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Google not delivering E-Mail from an mailling list...
by Robert Heller 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

I have a subscriber of a Mailman email list that is NOT getting mail sent to the list. My MTA (Postfix under CentOS 6) is logging that the mail is being sent to Google's inbound MTA: Nov 22 17:00:23 sharky3 postfix/smtpd[2459]: 71357732494: client=localhost[::1] Nov 22 17:00:24 sharky3 postfix/cleanup[2453]: 71357732494: message-id=<CANyDLLtegMOEE_69FugpVh401cY28XH+PbS83kqyEagGu0=_-g(a)mail.gmail.com> Nov 22 17:00:25 sharky3 opendkim[755]: 71357732494: DKIM-Signature field added (s=deepsoft.com, d=deepsoft.com) Nov 22 17:00:25 sharky3 postfix/qmgr[1926]: 71357732494: from=<wendell-townsfolk-bounces(a)deepsoft.com>, size=4165, nrcpt=216 (queue active) ... Nov 22 17:01:02 sharky3 postfix/smtp[3083]: 71357732494: to=<XXXXXX(a)gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.196.26]:25, delay=39, delays=2/1.3/35/0.63, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1479852062 b19si6789198ybg.241 - gsmtp) ... but the mail is not getting to the subscriber -- it is not showing up in her inbox. What should this user do? Is there some sort of setting or something that this subscriber needs to do with her gmail account? The subscriber is not a techie and probably needs help dealing with Google's weirdnesses. -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller(a)deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services

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list_members when listname has a period
by Mark Dale 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

Hi, If a list's name has a period in it, the "bin/list_members" doesn't seem to like it. For example: $PATH/bin/list_members -f acme_widgets (works fine) $PATH/bin/list_members -f acme.widgets (gets ignored) I've tried escaping the period, wrapping the name in quotes, and I'm not seeing anything in the bin file - list_members - as an obvious place to hack. Any clues from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark

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How to stop bounces emails
by Leon 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

Hi, everyone. Subscribers in mailing list always get bounces emails like "the results of your email commands". How do I stop mailman sending out them? Thank you. -- Leon

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Regenerate HTML pages for new URLs in pipermail
by Rainer Müller 21 Nov '16

21 Nov '16

Hello, I recently moved a Mailman mailing list from one host to another as outlined in the FAQ [1]. This involved changing the URL of the archives on the web. Mail delivery and the web interface itself is working just fine. However, every old mail in the HTML archive of pipermail still contains the old URL at the very end in the "More information about the ... mailing list" link. For new mails, the URL is correct. I already tried to regenerate the archive with 'arch --wipe'. This would update the URL, however, this would also re-index the mbox and will break URLs to posts in the archive, which I would like to avoid. Is there some way to update this URL while keeping the archive URLs stable? Do I really need to go over all HTML files in the archive with a sed expression? Running Mailman 2.1.18 on Debian 8 jessie. Rainer [1] https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20move%20a%20list%20to%20a%20differe….

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Mailman and Mimecast
by Hirayama, Pat 19 Nov '16

19 Nov '16

Greetings, I am having issues with some addresses on a couple of the few thousand lists that I am hosting in mailman. The addresses in question are using Mimecast for their email protection. So, I'm asking all of you for your opinion/advice. Problem 1: One list gets their email rejected with a 550 Rejected by header based Anti-Spoofing policy: ... https://community.mimecast.com/docs/DOC-1369#550 If I am reading the referenced (https://community.mimecast.com/docs/DOC-1419-anti-spoofing-policies) page correctly, the problem is that the sender of the list is at domain A, the recipients of the lists are at domain A, but the listserv itself is in domain B, and from Mimecast's POV, there shouldn't be mail from A to A being relayed by B. And then it goes on to say that you should reconfigure your Mimecast to put in a bypass policy for this server. What the mail folks at domain A would prefer is that I (domain B) fix this. I'm thinking that I could fix this by using either anonymous_list or changing the setting of from_is_list. But, what isn't clear to me is if this is really the correct step to take (my initial inclination is that they should follow Mimecast's direction of putting in a bypass policy). Problem 2: Another list I have -- they actually accept the mail, and then send it back. So, I see status=sent in my postfix logs, but the members don't get it. Apparently, it is running into a problem because the HELO greeting from my mail gateways (MX) doesn't match the FQDN of the mailman server. So, the mailman server is smarthosted to my MX servers, which do some scanning of the message before sending it out. Apparently, what these Mimecast users want me to do is to rewrite the envelope so that instead of the mailman server's FQDN, I replace it with either the FQDN of the MX server, or just my domain. In the /etc/aliases file on my MX servers, I have the 'post' address listed, so mail sent to listname@domain gets routed to the mailman server. I haven't listed any of the other 9 mailman addresses (i.e. -admin, -bounces, -confirm, -join, -leave, -owner, -request, -subscribe, -unsubscribe). So, my thinking is that if I do the rewrite, so the message comes from listname-bounces@domain, instead of listname-bounces(a)lists.domain, I will need to add this and the other addresses on my MX server so that mail routing will work. Since I have 3000+ lists, that's like 27k more lines in /etc/aliases to add/manage. Again, I'm thinking that they should put in some exception in their Mimecast configuration. Am I just being obstinate here for no reason? Should I just assume the pain and change the behavior of my mailman server? Thoughts? Thanks! -p -- Pat Hirayama Systems Engineer / 206.667.4856 / phirayam(a)fredhutch.org / Fred Hutch / Cures Start Here CIT | Advancing IT and Data Services to Accelerate the Elimination of Disease

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Digest option - only get 1 email for all posts in a day?
by Sandeep 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

Hello, It appears that digest mode only batches a set number of emails together (5) in a single digest. So, if a mailing list I am subscribed to, gets 20 posts in a day, I get 4 emails. Is there a way for me as a subscriber to get 1 digest email per day, containing all the posts for that day? Yours sincerely, Sandeep

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