Mailman 3 November 2001 - Mailman-Users

NNTP and Message-Ids
by Simen E. Sandberg 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

First: Sorry for my bad english. I'm not a native english-speaker, so please ignore my mistakes. :o) I'm running some lists with the NNTP-gateway enabled both ways. I've noticed that when mailman posts to the newsgroup, it changes the Message-Id. Or, I guess it's mailman and not INN. This generates problems with threading, since one message got two message ids. An example: test(a)lists.example.com both posts and collects messages from local.test at the news-server news.example.com. John and Anne are both subscribed to the list and Peter prefers to use the news-server. John posts a message to the list with subject "Hello". John's client generates the message id <john123.456(a)example.com> for that mail. Mailman will now forward that message correctly to Anne, with the right message id. But when Peter reads the message at the news-server, he will see the message id <mailman.345.987(a)lists.example.com>. So far, everything looks fine for the users. But now Anne wants to make a reply to John's post and posts a message to the list with subject "Re: Hello". This message has the In-Reply-To-header "<john123.456(a)example.com>", since this is the message id on the mail she recieved. Peter, who are still using NNTP, will not be able to find the message <john123.456(a)example.com>, since it has been renamed to <mailman.345.654(a)lists.example.com> on the news-server. Peter's newsreader will then create a new thread for the reply. Are there any way I can let all the users of my lists recieve the same message ids, so my news-reading users will be able to get the threads right? Thak you in advance. -- Senilix - Simen E. Sandberg | Join the (r)evolution! http://www.senilix.net/ | www.nlc.no senilixágallerbyen.net, á=@ | Workplace: http://www.hvam.vgs.no/

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False, and what not...
by Ashley M. Kirchner 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Also in MM 2.0.8: Looking in Defaults.py, there's this section: # Pipermail archives contain the raw email addresses of the posting authors. # Some view this as a goldmine for spam harvesters. Set this to false to # moderately obscure email addresses, but note that this breaks mailto: URLs # in the archives too. ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0 The text above says, 'set this to false to moderately obscure email addresses'. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that default setting already set to false? It's a bit confusing telling someone to set the value to false if they want to obfuscate stuff when the setting is already set that way. In my head 0 = false, 1 = true. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley@pcraft.com> . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Footers
by J C Lawrence 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:52:35 -0500 Jon Carnes <jonc(a)haht.com> wrote: > This ought to be in the FAQ (maybe it is...). http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp > Anyway, this happens when folks are using html style email and the > folks reading the email are using something like Outlook. No, its a MIME problem. Nothing more, nothing less. > So the real problem is with the email client. No, the problem is that for MIME messages Mailman 2.0.* is producing bogus messages. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Default Hostname
by Ashley M. Kirchner 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

I'm not sure if this is how it's supposed to work, or not, but that's why I'm asking. I just installed MM 2.0.8. Went into $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and added a DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL. When I pointed my browser to /mailman/admin, the header and body text correctly displayed the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME that I specified, however the email address on the last line, still showed the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME that's specified in Defaults.py (which is different). Is this how it's supposed to be, or have I forgotten to change another setting somewhere? -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley@pcraft.com> . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

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Host name sent in email confirmation wrong
by Bill Moseley 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

I have my lists all setup to use the full name of the host. DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'mardy.hank.org' This is the same host as simply hank.org. I just tried to subscribe to a list, and the confirm mail came like this: Reply-To: test-request(a)hank.org The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org). The problem is I have all mail to @hank.org to one address in sendmail's virtusertable, so it needs to go to mardy.hank.org to not get bypassed by my virtusertable entry. So, the question is, why did mailman set the reply to to simply @hank.org instead of @mardy.hank.org? What settings should I look at? Bill Moseley mailto:moseley@hank.org

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Re: [Mailman-Users] question about headers
by J C Lawrence 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:20:45 -0500 mirator <Donna> wrote: >> Sender: mailman-users-admin(a)python.org X-BeenThere: >> mailman-users(a)python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270) >> List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=help> >> List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users@python.org> List-Subscribe: >> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, >> <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> >> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users >> <mailman-users.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: >> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, >> <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/> > Is there any way to prevent this? FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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question about headers
by Donna 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi - I am just now learning the details of managing a mailman powered list. I have previously used majordomo and so far mailman seems to have many of the same functions and in fact some much better ones. Here is my question. At the beginning of all messages to a list there are a lot of addresses. For example, on this list all messages have this: >Sender: mailman-users-admin(a)python.org >X-BeenThere: mailman-users(a)python.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270) >List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=help> >List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users@python.org> >List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, > <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, > <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/> Is there any way to prevent this? Thank you for your help. Donna De Poalo

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Problems with Footers
by Albert E. Whale 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Has anyone experienced any problems with the Footers for the messages not being displayed? The symptoms are that the defined footer for all mailing lists will disappear, until all admin requests are processed. Is there a lock being held somewhere? -- Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant

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Archives
by Con Wieland 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

I have some lists I'am moving from Listproc to Mailman that I've been using Mhonarc to archive and would like to integrate them with the Mailman archives when I move the lists over. Any ideas on how to do this? TIA Con Wieland UC Irvine

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best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
by Joshua S. Freeman 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi folks... What is the least painful way to upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8? TIA, J.

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