Mailman 3 December 2001 - Mailman-Users

help
by gtnet＠ircnet.hu 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Hi! first of all, Merry Xmas! i've a little problem with mailman. I've just installed the lastest one onto my System ( Linux 2.2.19 with exim ) ircnet.hu/mailman/listinfo work well. i've subscribed to the test mail-list, received the confirmation mail AND WHEN! i tried to answer back the confrimation i got this in my syslog: 2001-12-24 15:45:59 16IWMZ-00075e-00 <= gtnet(a)ircnet.hu U=gtne P=local-esmtp S=454 id=Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0112241545540.27250-100000(a)ircnet.hu 2001-12-24 15:45:59 16IWMZ-00075e-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test i've followed the intall instructions .. and do not know where the problem is. Please help me if you can. Thanks in advance GTnet

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Automatic removal of boced users
by Pavel Stulik 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Hello, could you please help me to solve this problem. I am running Mailman 2.0.3 on RedHat using postfix-20010202-4. Everything works fine but if I set up a few bogus users, they are not automaticaly removed when email bounces. They are even in config.db. After running ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ./config.db, I can find in output: 'bounce_info': { 'tdgfg(a)fgetryg.hgj': [1009155062.41, 49.0, 56.0], 'ytrj(a)htrj.jfl': [1009155000.4, 49.0, 56.0]}, Bounce configuration is set up as follows: ## Bounce options # # Policies regarding systematic processing of bounce messages, to help # automate recognition and handling of defunct addresses. # Try to figure out error messages automatically? # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" bounce_processing = 1 # Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we # take action minimum_removal_date = 1 # Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before # we consider removing them from the list minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action = 1 # Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce # detection finds this info useful) max_posts_between_bounces = 5 # Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. # # legal values are: # 0 = "Do nothing" # 1 = "Disable and notify me" # 2 = "Disable and DON'T notify me" # 3 = "Remove and notify me" automatic_bounce_action = 3 I would expect that bouncing users should be removed immediatelly, or should I wait 5 days? Thank for your help. Pavel ------------------------------------------------------- -- Pavel Stulik System Support Officer Information Technology Division Northern Territory University Darwin NT 0909 Australia Ph. (08)8946 6639

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Automatic removal of boced users
by Pavel Stulik 24 Dec '01

24 Dec '01

Hello, could you please help me to solve this problem. I am running Mailman 2.0.3 on RedHat using postfix-20010202-4. Everything works fine but if I set up a few bogus users, they are not automaticaly removed when email bounces. They are even in config.db. After running ~mailman/bin/dumpdb ./config.db, I can find in output: 'bounce_info': { 'tdgfg(a)fgetryg.hgj': [1009155062.41, 49.0, 56.0], 'ytrj(a)htrj.jfl': [1009155000.4, 49.0, 56.0]}, Bounce configuration is set up as follows: ## Bounce options # # Policies regarding systematic processing of bounce messages, to help # automate recognition and handling of defunct addresses. # Try to figure out error messages automatically? # # legal values are: # 0 = "No" # 1 = "Yes" bounce_processing = 1 # Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we # take action minimum_removal_date = 1 # Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before # we consider removing them from the list minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action = 1 # Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce # detection finds this info useful) max_posts_between_bounces = 5 # Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. # # legal values are: # 0 = "Do nothing" # 1 = "Disable and notify me" # 2 = "Disable and DON'T notify me" # 3 = "Remove and notify me" automatic_bounce_action = 3 I would expect that bouncing users should be removed immediatelly, or should I wait 5 days? Thank for your help. Pavel

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Monthly Password Reminders Not Sent
by Stephen Denny 23 Dec '01

23 Dec '01

I found this (below) in the archives. Is it still true on 2.0.7 - one public list is necessary? Regards, Stephen Dan Mick dan.mick(a)west.sun.com Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:54:50 -0800 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacopo Silva wrote: > > Hi all, > my (2) mailman installations (2.0.1) seem to > work ok, but I still cannot get the sending of > monthly password reminders. > [snip] > even if I exec python -S mailpasswds manually I do not > get nothing sent to users, but the script exits normally. > > How can I debug this failure? What am I missing? There has to be at least one public list for the reminders to work. I'm not sure why this is. -- Stephen Denny sdenny(a)casadenny.com

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gate_news
by J.D. Bronson 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

I have an issue I need some advice on. We use the gate_news feature to get usenet news -> to email and it works well. It is set as default to poll each 5mins. I have suddenly and unexplainably run into a problem with my NNTP provider (giganews.com)... I get AUTHENTICATION REQUIRED even when I am supplying the correct login/pass. So...after contacting them - I discovered the following: We are indeed connecting each 5mins, but authenticating more than 1X. I have 12 lists that I created that 'suck' news feeds. It seems that the script will login/logout for each of these groups (rather than login 1X and grab ALL the news from ALL the groups at once)...this happening all at once is annoying the AUTH server and therefore denying access with a stupid error. I usually get a few posts for the 1st few groups and then BOMB out. What can I do to correct this supposed incorrect behavior? I am running mailman 2.0.8 under OpenBSD 3.0 - any comments or advice would be appreciated. The NNTP provider claims this is not their issue to fix, and I have a problem with that. But, since they are unwilling to do anything, I need to 'shim' it on my end. Jeff

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Re: Mailman Problem
by Michael B. Weiner 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

I figured it all out....and actually it takes a some small amount of understanding of how python and the python-interpreter work. When making ANY changes to ANY of the *.py files under mailman, you must delete the corresponding *.pyc (compiled py for faster processing through the python interpreter). Example, i modified the ~/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and in order to re-read that module back into the python-interpreter again only this time read the new information modified in the .py do this: /var/mailman/Mailman# python Python 1.5.2 (#1, Jul 5 2001, 03:02:19) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import mm_cfg >>> (A CTRL-D exits the interpreter) then an ls -la will show that the *.pyc has been created and that is the module currently in the python-interpreter's memory. Same applies with the ~/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and any others....when making changes, remove the old *.pyc and re-import into the python-interpreter to re-read the changes. Regards -- Michael B. Weiner, Linux+, Linux+ SME Systems Administrator/Partner The UserFriendly Network (UFN) -- Linux Registered User #94900 Have you been counted? http://counter.li.org PGP: 30 1D CC BA 30 30 63 35 CD 58 E0 89 A9 17 CC C0 8C 55 F7 72 ......... Escape the 'Gates' of Hell `:::' ....... ...... ::: * `::. ::' ::: .:: .:.::. .:: .:: `::. :' ::: :: :: :: :: :: :::. ::: .::. .:: ::. `::::. .:' ::. ...:::.....................::' .::::.. --

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Re: [Mailman-Users] what to do when you have list <list> *and* list <list>-admin?
by Jessica Koeppel 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

Markus Kachel wrote: > >I thing, that it is the best solution to change the name for the >second list. Many list-robots use <list>-admin as the adress for the >Admin or Moderator of the list, for example Mailman and Majordomo. So >it is nearly a standard, because it is often used. Hi Markus, I definitely understand - and I agree with you completely! But, the ultimate decision doesn't lie in my hands, as the lists have been around for a while and are run by someone else, who may not want to change the names. :/ I've asked if we can change them, but don't have an answer yet. Meantime, I'm going to see if I can change mailman to use something else, just in case the answer comes back "no". --jessica

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Cosmetic Changes
by mel 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

Is there a way to modify the global list info page for a site. I have 12 list on one server that belong to one client. On the global list info page (where all the list available are displayed) the email link for questions and comments points to mailman-owner@servername. Can I modify this to point to the list administrator for the list. Mel -- -------------------------- System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com Linux User #25446 Linux 2.4.7 --------------------------

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Mailman unuseable!
by Martin Skjoldebrand 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

jonc(a)haht.com writes: >>You will need to modify a setting in your >>~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file >>(see the Defaults.py file for information). I think the >>setting is: >> >># When set, the listinfo web page overview of lists on the >>machine will be >># confined to only those lists whose web_page_url >>configuration option host >>is >># included within the URL by which the page is visited - >>only those "on the >># virtual host". If unset, then all lists are included in >>the overview. >>The >># admin page overview always includes all the lists. >>VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 > It was set to 1in Defaults.py and I tried setting it to 0 in mm_cfg.py, restarted apache but it didn't solve the problem. Anyway, I fail to see how this would affect Mailman giving a bug report just because I accessed it through a redirect? It has worked nicely untill now - but now I get a bug report every time I access www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo - either directly or through a redirect. The admin page works though. Martin S >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Martin Skjoldebrand" >><Martin.Skjoldebrand(a)forumsyd.se> >>To: <mailman-users(a)python.org> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:53 AM >>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got the bug screen >> >> >>> I've been fiddling with redirects from >>> www.forumsyd.net/lists to >>> www.forumsyd.net/mailman/listinfo but in no way been >>> touching the Mailman files. All of a sudden I get >>> >>> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.8 >>> We're sorry, we hit a bug! >>> >>> I include the error log but the only thing I can see is >>> >>> admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >>> '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' >>> >>> Q: what permissions should this file have? >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- log file >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dec 19 12:22:13 2001 admin(1471): >>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >>> admin(1471): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.8 -----] >>> admin(1471): [----- Traceback ------] >>> admin(1471): Traceback (innermost last): >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line >>> 96, in run_main >>> admin(1471): main() >>> admin(1471): File >>> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in >main >>> admin(1471): FormatListinfoOverview() >>> admin(1471): File >>> "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 84, in >>> FormatListinfoOverview >>> admin(1471): mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >>> line 79, in __init__ >>> admin(1471): self.Load() >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >>> line 892, in Load >>> admin(1471): dict, e = self.__load(dbfile) >>> admin(1471): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", >>> line 869, in __load >>> admin(1471): fp = open(dbfile) >>> admin(1471): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: >>> '/home/mailman/lists/glob_kal/config.db' >>> admin(1471): [----- Python Information -----] >>> admin(1471): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, >>> 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 >>> admin(1471): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python >>> admin(1471): sys.prefix = /usr >>> admin(1471): sys.exec_prefix= /usr >>> admin(1471): sys.path = /usr >>> admin(1471): sys.platform = linux-i386 >>> admin(1471): [----- Environment Variables -----] >>> admin(1471): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /www/htdocs >>> admin(1471): SERVER_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, compress >>> admin(1471): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) >>> PHP/4.0.6 >>> admin(1471): QUERY_STRING: >>> admin(1471): SCRIPT_FILENAME: >>> /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo >>> admin(1471): SERVER_PORT: 80 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_HOST: www.forumsyd.net >>> admin(1471): REQUEST_METHOD: GET >>> admin(1471): SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 >>> Server at www.forumsyd.net Port 80</address> >>> >>> admin(1471): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo >>> admin(1471): SERVER_ADMIN: martin(a)hauntedhousesw.com >>> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en >>> admin(1471): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo >>> admin(1471): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman >>> admin(1471): REMOTE_ADDR: 212.209.75.123 >>> admin(1471): SERVER_NAME: www.forumsyd.net >>> admin(1471): REMOTE_PORT: 1113 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Lynx/2.8.4dev.16 >>> libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 >>> admin(1471): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 >>> admin(1471): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 >>> admin(1471): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html, text/plain, >>> audio/mod, image/*, video/*, video/mpeg, >application/pgp, >>> application/pgp, application/pdf, message/partial, >>> message/external-body, application/postscript, x-be2, >>> application/andrew-inset, text/richtext, text/enriched, >>> x-sun-attachment, audio-file, postscript-file, default, >>> mail-file, sun-deskset-message, >>> application/x-metamail-patch, application/msword, >>> text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 >>> >>> >>> >>> mvh/ Regards, >>> >>> Martin S. >>> CTO, Forum Syd >>> >>> "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive >>mad." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > mvh/ Regards, Martin S. CTO, Forum Syd "Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad." ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Re: [Mailman-Users] loops with "out of office/vacation" autoresponders
by J C Lawrence 22 Dec '01

22 Dec '01

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:18:33 -0500 Robert Williams <bob(a)bob.usuhs.mil> wrote: > Why do I not see more of this on other lists that I participate > in? A more clueful user base? > How do listservers in general deal with "vacation" autoresponder > loops? Ultimately there is nothing you can do. Any system you build will rely on some levels of standards compliance, and, well, unsurprisingly the problem is due to vacation programs not complying to standards. This is one of the many reasons I hand moderate my lists. Another common approach is to limit the number of posts a given user can make per day/period without moderation overview. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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