Mailman 3 May 2002 - Mailman-Users

Mailman2.1Beta problem.
by Danny Terweij May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

Hi there, I know this is a beta (test) version. Some lists here are not working good. Lets explain, A list-admin wants a member on nomail. So the list-admin sets it on nomail at the membership options. When ever the changes are submitted .. it is not set to nomail. Also when for this member another setting is set, after submiting changes it's not set. Even unsub is not working. I can only as site owner do a ./remove_members listname emailadress. (its only 1 mail adress out of 66, and just a normal email adres. This email adres on another list is working good) So my other questions, Is there a list of known bugs/problems for Mailman 2,1Beta? Is there already a Mailman 2.1Beta FAQ? Danny.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] closed mailman
by Detlef Neubauer May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

"Szilard" <szilard(a)int.com> writes: > Hello mailman-users, > > I would like to set up a mailman list with the following options: > - anyone can send emails to the list Privacy Options -> Must posts be approved by an administrator? [x] No. Privacy Options -> Restrict posting privilege to list members? [x] No. > - only the subscribers can check the archive Arcival Options -> Is archive file source for public or private archival? [x] private > - only the listadmin can add anyone to the list of subscribers Privacy Options -> What steps are required for subscription? [x] require approval or [x] confirm + approval Mit freundlichen Grüßen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.

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Links to next item in Mailman pending requests list
by John Van Essen May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

Tending to pending requests for posts that were deferred has gotten to be a big hassle with dozens and sometimes hundreds of virus-generated messages getting caught by my expanding list of header value checks. I made two simple changes to add a "Next Item" hyperlink next to the Discard button and to add a name anchor at the end of that item. Clicking on the Next Item link advances to the next item (well, actually to the *end* of the current item). The beauty of this is that the Discard button and the Next Item link maintain their relative positions on each item. I'm throwing away 99 out of 100 pending posts, and now there's only a little mouse movement required to travel down the list, discarding as I go. Here are the changes (with come context) to PrintPostRequest in admindb.py: 1) Added link next to discard button: buttons.AddRow([Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DEFER, 1)), Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.APPROVE, 0)), Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.REJECT, 0)), Center(RadioButton(id, mm_cfg.DISCARD, 0)), Link('#Item%03d' % (count+1), 'Next Item'), ]) 2) Added target tag at the end: form.AddItem(t) form.AddItem('<p>') form.AddItem('\n<a name="Item%03d">\n' % (count+1)) I hope you find this useful and will incorporate it into Mailman. -- John Van Essen Univ of MN Alumnus <vanes002(a)umn.edu> 3DGamers Systems Software Support <jve(a)3dgamers.com>

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard
by Dan Mick May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

> exception that the mail isn't going through - I get "unknown user" > error. Was I to create an account? > > because there IS no account created with the ./newlist script, newlist instructs you to add aliases to support the new list. The section of INSTALL that talks about running newlist also discusses this. Really: follow INSTALL, step by step. If you don't understand a step, stop and understand it, by hook or crook. It's all in there, and it's all necessary.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] how to use common password?
by J C Lawrence May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

On Wed, 1 May 2002 13:06:10 -0700 (PDT) samesun <Amit> wrote: > I want have users use a common password for all the lists one is > subsscribed to? > Is this posible in mailman and how can I do it. Currently no. It will be (more) possible with 2.1 should you use an external data store. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Attachments in archive
by Rantanen, TC1 May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

Some posters want to push out pdf's which is fine in the emails, but not in the list archives. Is there away to make the archives show the attachment as a downloadable file, such as pdf? Ed Rantanen

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Mailman FAQ Wizard
by Mike Noyes May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

I noticed that most of the answers in the Mailman FAQ wizard [1] assume that you have site admin access. Many of us are only list managers. Solutions to problems that work for site admins may not work for list managers. Is there a preferred way to modify the FAQ Wizard for answers to list manager questions? Specifically for list managers without site admin access. [1] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mike Noyes <mhnoyes(a)users.sourceforge.net> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/

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Bug found in Mailman 2.1Beta
by Danny Terweij May 3, 2002

May 3, 2002

When you go to : http://yourdomain.com/mailman.listinfo/[listname] You as normal member, knows a member email adres from that list and write that email adres at the input field : To unsubscribe from [listname], get a password reminder, or change your subscription options enter your subscription email address: [ a.member(a)domain.com ] {unsubscribe or edit options} If you leave the field blank, you will be prompted for your email address You can just edit a other member's options and can even change the password. Please this is not a good situation. Not me discovered it, but a member from a list. Danny.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] virus protection
by J C Lawrence May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

On Wed, 1 May 2002 12:57:54 -0700 jesse white <jwhite(a)recyclesmart.com> wrote: > what kind of virus protection is built into the Mailman system? None. > coincidentially to someone subscribing to one of my lists at > ecolist.net, they also got a virus (same day) coincidence or > connection? See the FAQ in regard to filtering unwanted MIME parts: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Sendmail Performance w/ mailman
by Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

I have had an ongoing problem with qrunner being extremely slow, so I tried some of the suggestions in the faq. I made the following changes: I added the followind to my sendmail startup.... /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=1313,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 I now have sendmail running on two ports, 25 and 1313. Was this correct? In addition I added SMTPPORT = 1313 to my mm_cfg.py file. My first question is, I can find no mention anywhere in the doc where it says I need to recompile or do something else to have mailman read the changed in mm_cfg.py, is this correct? Do these changes just take effect by adding them to that file? Next, how do I verify this is working? I can telnet into both ports and they respond as expected. Unfortunately I am now getting a lot of messages queued up by sendmail, and I am getting a lot of entries in the mailman smtp-failure log. Eric

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Re: [Mailman-Users] file deposit for attachments
by J C Lawrence May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

On Thu, 2 May 2002 14:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Nicolas Bock <nbock(a)buffalo.edu> wrote: > Hello everybody, I just started using mailman for a mailing list (for > what else :) and was wondering about the following: When somebody > posts an email with some file as an attachment, let's say for example > a word document, then the email gets archived with the attachment > encoded in some sort of uuencode format. Can I tell mailman to dump > this attachment into some file depository and leave it the way it is > instead? It otherwise seems a little bit difficult to retrieve those > encoded attachments from the archive at some later date. Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive
by J C Lawrence May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

On Thu, 2 May 2002 12:30:24 -0500 Eric W RWBAHC Bueschel <Bueschel> wrote: > There isn't anything about this in the FAQ. Sure there is. See the bits about archiving, and specifically about MHonArc and MIME. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Click to remove links
by mailman＠gushi.org May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Hi, I'm in the process of implementing a large bulk mailing project for all the subscribers of a particular magazine who have supplied their email address. Due to the general nature of people, we'd like it if there was a simple way for users to click a link and have themselves removed (i.e. without having to enter any information), at MOST hitting a submit button. Of course this requires inserting a different url in each outgoing message and whether I can do that from the getgo is unclear on the site. Also, we were hoping to have this list ina SQL database for reporting and searching purposes, is there a way to implement this with mailman? If mailman isn't quite the right tool for this can anyone recommend any other? Thanks, Dan Mahoney -- "Your future hasn't been written yet; no one's has. So make it a good one!" -"Doc" Emmet L. Browne, Back to the Future III --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Web: http://prime.gushi.org finger danm(a)prime.gushi.org for pgp public key and tel# ---------------------------

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file deposit for attachments
by Nicolas Bock May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Hello everybody, I just started using mailman for a mailing list (for what else :) and was wondering about the following: When somebody posts an email with some file as an attachment, let's say for example a word document, then the email gets archived with the attachment encoded in some sort of uuencode format. Can I tell mailman to dump this attachment into some file depository and leave it the way it is instead? It otherwise seems a little bit difficult to retrieve those encoded attachments from the archive at some later date. Thanks already for any replies, nick

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Click to remove links - TRY NOT SPAMMING IN THE FIRST PLACE
by Greg Long May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Try NOT SPAMMING THEM in the first place unless they fill out a form requesting the info. -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin(a)python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin@python.org] On Behalf Of mailman(a)gushi.org Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:06 AM To: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Click to remove links Hi, I'm in the process of implementing a large bulk mailing project for all the subscribers of a particular magazine who have supplied their email address. Due to the general nature of people, we'd like it if there was a simple way for users to click a link and have themselves removed (i.e. without having to enter any information), at MOST hitting a submit button. Of course this requires inserting a different url in each outgoing message and whether I can do that from the getgo is unclear on the site. Also, we were hoping to have this list ina SQL database for reporting and searching purposes, is there a way to implement this with mailman? If mailman isn't quite the right tool for this can anyone recommend any other? Thanks, Dan Mahoney

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive
by Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

There isn't anything about this in the FAQ. Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw@kanga.nu] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:21 AM > To: Rantanen, TC1 > Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive > > > On Thu, 2 May 2002 10:48:47 -0400 > TC Rantanen <Rantanen> wrote: > > > Some posters want to push out pdf's which is fine in the emails, but > > not in the list archives. Is there away to make the > archives show the > > attachment as a downloadable file, such as pdf? > > Please see the FAQ: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive
by J C Lawrence May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

On Thu, 2 May 2002 10:48:47 -0400 TC Rantanen <Rantanen> wrote: > Some posters want to push out pdf's which is fine in the emails, but > not in the list archives. Is there away to make the archives show the > attachment as a downloadable file, such as pdf? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not showing administrative tasks
by J C Lawrence May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

On Thu, 2 May 2002 08:48:25 -0500 Nora Livesay <nora(a)homepagedesign.biz> wrote: > We've been using mailman for about 6 months and last it unexplicably > quit working. As far as I'm aware, nothing has changed in the > configuration, but when you send an email to post to the list, it > doesn't show up to be approved nor does it go out to members. It's as > if mailman never received the mail. Any thoughts on how to trouble > shoot this? Check the Mailman log files. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] splitting the web server and mail server
by J C Lawrence May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

On Thu, 02 May 2002 13:43:46 +0100 Pete Phillips <pete(a)smtl.co.uk> wrote: > I would like to use mailman or a number of lists I run, but I have a > concern, in that at present, http access is allowed to our webserver > machine, but not to our mailserver. For simplicity and security > reasons, I do not want to run apache on our mailserver, nor sendmail > on our web server if I can help it. Either point your Mailman installation at your remote mail server, or use a local MTA which points at the remote mail server as a smarthost. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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the old wanted/got gid
by Dennis Black May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Someone help me grab a clue, please. Read the FAQ, check. Read the INSTALL, check. Read any Google hits for mailman/wanted/got/gid..., check. System: RS/6000 AIX 5.1 Apps: postfix 1.1.7 mailman-2.0.9 apache-1.3.22-1 So far, I have tried: (doing at least make cleans between, if not rm -rf *) ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody ./configure --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-cgi-gid=nobody ./configure --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-cgi-gid=mailman ./configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-cgi-gid=mailman ./configure --with-mail-gid=postdrop --with-cgi-gid=mailman ./configure --with-mail-gid=postdrop --with-cgi-gid=nobody ./configure The last one had no options, and resulted in the install choosing mail-gid 'mail'. May 2 09:56:59 zircon postfix/local[22198]: 6657C21B4: to=<test4-request@mailma n.srv.ualberta.ca>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with stat us 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test4". Command output: Failure to exe c script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid -2. (Reconfigure to take -2?) ) /etc/passwd postfix:*:12345:12345:postfix:/no/where:/no/shell mailman:!:201:201::/home/mailman:/usr/bin/ksh nobody:*:-2:-2::/: /etc/group mail:!:6: postdrop:*:54321: mailman:!:201:mailman nobody:!:-2:lpd,nobody /home/mailman/mail/wrapper is -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 233461 May 02 09:55 wrapper What is the combination to unlock this? BTW, I thank you for Mailman, and all my ex-majordomo listowners will thank you, once I unleash it on them. I've had to manually build web interfaces to majordomo since 1995. Dennis.Black(a)UAlberta.Ca Computing and Network Systems Internet Applications 352 General Services Bldg. University of Alberta Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2H1 Phone: 780-492-9329 Fax: 780-492-1729 Webhome: http://www.ualberta.ca/~dblack Majordomo: http://www.ualberta.ca/cns/majordomo LWGate: http://www.ualberta.ca/htbin/lwgate "I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Blue Screen, Blue Screen leads to downtime, downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside." - Unknown Unix Jedi

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confirmation bounces go to wrong admin
by Steve McGhee May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

hello, i host about 30 mailing lists (about 4000 subscribers). its been running great for the last 3 or so years. currently i am running mailman-2.0.5 on freebsd 4.5-STABLE. so at the beginning of every month, all the admins have to sift through reject messages from people who are still subscribed but are over quota, etc. on my system there are several admins who admin more than one list, so they tend to get a lot of these. the problem: one (only one) admin sends me bounces she recieves that are destined for the admin of other lists. let me clarify with an example: - she admins naccs-east(a)lmri.ucsb.edu - she gets all sorts of reject messages for naccs-east(a)lmri.ucsb.edu (normal) - she gets a reject message for mujer_l(a)lmri.ucsb.edu (a list that she has no affiliation to) like this (username changed for anonymity): (note the To: address at the top of the email and the listname at the bottom, why dont they match?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: E500_SMTP_Mail_Service(a)csus.edu [mailto:E500_SMTP_Mail_Service@csus.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:03 AM To: naccs-east-admin(a)lmri.ucsb.edu Subject: Returned Mail - Error During Delivery ------ Failed Recipients ------ <username(a)uts.edu.au>: Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable. [SMTP Error Code 550] -------- Returned Mail -------- Received: from orion.lmri.ucsb.edu(128.111.199.186) by mailfilter1.uts.edu.au via csmap id 9519; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:02:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=orion.lmri.ucsb.edu) by lmri.ucsb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #4) id 172suC-000Bh2-00 for username(a)uts.edu.au; Wed, 01 May 2002 05:08:20 -0700 Subject: lmri.ucsb.edu mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner(a)lmri.ucsb.edu To: username(a)uts.edu.au X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: naccs-east-admin(a)lmri.ucsb.edu Errors-To: naccs-east-admin(a)lmri.ucsb.edu X-BeenThere: naccs-east(a)lmri.ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <E172suC-000Bh2-00(a)lmri.ucsb.edu> Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 05:08:20 -0700 This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your lmri.ucsb.edu mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, mujer-l-request(a)lmri.ucsb.edu) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to mailman-owner(a)lmri.ucsb.edu. Thanks! Passwords for username(a)uts.edu.au: List Password // URL ---- -------- mujer-l(a)lmri.ucsb.edu Rwvv http://lmri.ucsb.edu/mailman/options/mujer-l/username%40uts.edu.au any ideas?? (please cc: this email address with replies as i am not a subscriber) -- -steve .......................................................... Steve McGhee Systems Administrator Linguistic Minority Research Institute UC Santa Barbara phone: (805)893-2683 email: stevem(a)lmri.ucsb.edu

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mailman not showing administrative tasks
by Nora Livesay May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

We've been using mailman for about 6 months and last it unexplicably quit working. As far as I'm aware, nothing has changed in the configuration, but when you send an email to post to the list, it doesn't show up to be approved nor does it go out to members. It's as if mailman never received the mail. Any thoughts on how to trouble shoot this? Nora Livesay homepage design 651-641-1665 nora(a)homepagedesign.biz http://www.homepagedesign.biz ************************

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive
by Bueschel, Eric W RWBAHC DIN-PACS May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

This also interests me. What would be nice would be if the attachment could be stripped, then added to a file download section of the archive. Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: Rantanen, TC1 [mailto:ERantanen@osc.uscg.mil] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:49 AM > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments in archive > > > > > Some posters want to push out pdf's which is fine in the > emails, but not in > the list archives. > Is there away to make the archives show the attachment as a > downloadable > file, such as pdf? > > Ed Rantanen > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >

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Mailman is Responding Now, But...
by Victor Daniel the MacNut May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Okay, I figured out that the reason Mailman was not delivering subscription confirmation messages was because I had set up relaying incorrectly in Exim (no relaying for localhost...oops). Now I have another problem. When I reply to those confirmation messages, the message bounces. This is the specific error I get: ======================================================== This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: test-request(a)macnuthome.com: Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/liststuff/mail/wrapper ======================================================== Is this saying I need to create the aliases for the list addresses? I thought, according to the directions for both Exim and Mailman, I didn't have to create alias addresses for each list. Once again, thanks is advance for any suggestions. The MacNut

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splitting the web server and mail server
by Pete Phillips May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Hi I would like to use mailman or a number of lists I run, but I have a concern, in that at present, http access is allowed to our webserver machine, but not to our mailserver. For simplicity and security reasons, I do not want to run apache on our mailserver, nor sendmail on our web server if I can help it. Is there any way that you can have a split installation ? Or am I barking up the wrong tree ? Pete -- Pete Phillips, Deputy Director, | http://www.smtl.co.uk/ Surgical Materials Testing Lab, | http://www.worldwidewounds.com/ Princess of Wales Hospital, S Wales | http://www.dressings.org/ Tel/Fax: +44 1656-752820/30 | pete(a)smtl.co.uk

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distributing to sub-lists via headers
by IOhannes m zmoelnig May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

hi list! my problem is such: i want to set up a list with several sub-lists, for example: "mylist" (parent) "mylist-dev" (child) "mylist-announce" (child) if a mail is sent to "mylist" with a header like [dev] or [mylist-dev] it should be resent via the "mylist-dev"-sublist. the same for the announcement-list additionally i would like following "mylist-announce" behaviour: if a mail is sent to this list, it would be distributed via both "mylist" and "mylist-announce", but only once to members who are subscribed to both lists (i think this has been discussed on this list before with the conclusio, that someone's patch didn't make it into mailman-2.1 but i have lost those mails...) is this possible ? i am currently using mailman-2.0.9-1 on a debian/woody system. mfg.csa.r IOhannes m zmoelnig

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List administrator password
by Detlef Neubauer May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

"Adriana Ballesteros" <aballest(a)aurora.edu> writes: > One of the list mangers forgot the list password and I was wondering > how can this be reset without the need of the old password in order > to reset it. Is there a command that can be executed from the > command line? I think no. The only way is, login to the adminpage of the list and change the password with your mmsitepassword. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.

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getting admin pages with python
by Robin Becker May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

We have a list maintained by our ISP so we only have web access to the internals via admin pages. As an exercise I wanted to use python to get access to all the pages in the membership management. Unfortunately it seems that while urllib can manage http authentification just fine mailman requires cookies etc. Is there a neat way to use python to provide the correct behaviour? -- Robin Becker

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Quoted-printable in the Web interface for the poor moderator [netaktiv.com #104]
by Stephane Bortzmeyer May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

A client of us is unhappy of the Web page he sees as a moderator. When people send email encoded in quoted-printable (they should not but we do not have enough bullets to get rid of all Outlook users), the moderator sees =E9 and other awful things on the Web page. Could the Web interface of Mailman handle the problem? Since quoted-printable is not a Web thing, Mailman should, IMHO. Or should I add a de-quoter program in front of Mailman like explained in: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.13 If so, does anyone have a good one to share (very robust, handle multiparts, preferrably written in Python, etc)? Most programs at the above URL strip MIME parts but do not transcode quoted-printable in 8-bits.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Another new user looking for help
by Detlef Neubauer May 2, 2002

May 2, 2002

Tonie <nospam(a)rhianwen.com> writes: > I've managed to get Mailman 2.0.10 installed, and it looks like > everything's okay except for one problem - which cgi handles the > creation of new lists, and where does it show what aliases should be > put into the /etc/aliases file? I looked for a cgi called "create", > but it is missing. The list admin cgi's seem to be working fine. > When I used newlist to create a list, the aliases weren't given. Build a shell script! Example that's works fine for me. It's in german, but i think you can read this. ,----[ neueliste ] | #!/bin/sh | | LISTENNAME=$1 | LISTENADMIN=$2 | PASSWORT=$3 | | if test "$#" -ne 3; then | | echo "Wie soll die neue Liste heissen?" | read LISTENNAME | if test -z "$LISTENNAME"; then | echo "Bitte einen Listennamen angeben!" | exit 1 | else | echo "Wie lautet die Mailadresse des Listenadmin?" | read LISTENADMIN | if test -z "$LISTENADMIN"; then | echo "Bitte die Mailadresse des Listenadmins angeben!" | exit 1 | else | echo "Bitte geben Sie ein Passwort ein!" | read PASSWORT | if test -z "$PASSWORT"; then | echo "Bitte ein Passwort eingeben!" | exit 1 | else | newlist -o /etc/aliases.mailman "$LISTENNAME" "$LISTENADMIN" "$PASSWORT" | sudo /usr/bin/newaliases | fi | fi | fi | | else | newlist -o /etc/aliases.mailman "$LISTENNAME" "$LISTENADMIN" "$PASSWORT" | sudo /usr/bin/newaliases | fi `---- My MTA is Postfix with ,----[ postconf -n ] | alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman | alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman | ... `---- and ,----[ ls -l /etc/aliases.mailman ] | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 12832 Mar 27 16:42 /etc/aliases.mailman `---- and ,----[ /etc/sudoers ] | mailman mailman=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/newaliases `---- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.

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I have the following error..
by aalqadri＠cumsa.ca May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hi, I am new to this, so I hope I didn't do something stuiped.. I have installed mailman-2.0.10, with no errors (so far) when I get to the part to set the password, I got the following message: %./mmsitepass whatever Traceback (innermost last): File "./mmsitepass", line 39, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths can anyone help ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] It's working :)
by Dan Mick May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

> I do find myself wondering why more if this can't be automated by an > installer and ready-to-run binaries, but that's just my win background - > It's easier for admins to spend company money on software licenses I > guess than to roll up the shirt sleeves and fight with it. It mostly has to do with "coming from radically different sources, and administered by different people". On Windows there tends to be one way to do things; in Unix, you are likely to be running Sendmail, but that's certainly not given. And just because you're installing a mailing-list manager doesn't mean you have privileges to modify the mailer on the machine, so they're separate steps. It's sorta more like being a tenant in a building rather than the super; for some things, you gotta get the super's attention, or have him delegate the responsibility to you, so the generic install process leaves them as separate steps because it can't assume you are both tenant *and* super. That said, there *is* some automation to install aliases, but it's evolving, and better for Mailman 2.1, because the problem is common and recognized. (And the name's Dan.) > Turns out my GID for the mailing was 99, I found this out by mail that > bounced, the recommended script for us Postfix'ers "python -c'import os; > print os.getgid()'" returned 538...not sure why, but wanted to report > that to the developers. To be honest, I don't understand those instructions. It seems to me that creating the alias file using postalias doesn't help with the ownership issue, but I've never used that method of adding aliases; I use Postfix, and I stick with manual edits to /etc/mail/aliases as I'm used to, and everything's happy. I'll ask on mailman-developers about what that section of INSTALL is supposed to be recommending. > > Special thanks to Dick and Ashley, > > Greg Long > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin(a)python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin@python.org] On Behalf Of Dan Mick > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:59 PM > To: claw(a)kanga.nu; mailman-users(a)python.org; > mailmanlist(a)maneuveringspeed.com > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard > > > > > exception that the mail isn't going through - I get "unknown user" > > error. Was I to create an account? > > > > because there IS no account created with the ./newlist script, > > newlist instructs you to add aliases to support the new list. > > The section of INSTALL that talks about running newlist also discusses > this. > > Really: follow INSTALL, step by step. If you don't understand a step, > stop and understand it, by hook or crook. It's all in there, and it's > all necessary. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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closed mailman
by Szilard May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hello mailman-users, I would like to set up a mailman list with the following options: - anyone can send emails to the list - only the subscribers can check the archive - only the listadmin can add anyone to the list of subscribers This listservice would be closed for registration or reading, but it would be open for incoming emails. It would be a kind of dropbox with all the advantages of a mailing list. Is there a way to do this? I can disable the registration page, but how can I disable the registration by e-mail? Curiously: Szilard

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how to use common password?
by Amit May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hi All, I want have users use a common password for all the lists one is subsscribed to? Is this posible in mailman and how can I do it. Thanks, Amit __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

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password reminders sent with wrong sender
by Hans-Peter Zahno May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hi, We run MM 2.0.10 (upgraded from 2.0.8 about 2 weeks ago) on Solaris 8 and Python 1.52 and serving about 260 lists. By this mornings password reminders we detected that (at least?) one lists password reminders were sent with wrong 'Sender:', 'Errors-To:', 'X-BeenThere:' headers. So the admin of list B got delivery failure reports of password reminders of list A! Note that: - list A is configured to send password reminders - list A is _not_ advertised - list B does _not_ send password reminders - list B is advertised I couldn't figure out where the problem comes from, but I'm interested if someone else noticed the same problem. Before upgrading to 2.0.10 we didn't noticed that. Thanks for any hints! Regards Hans-Peter -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hans-Peter Zahno | mailto:Hans-Peter.Zahno@unifr.ch Universität Freiburg/Informatikdienst | Phone: +41(0)26 300 72 07 av. de l'Europe 20 | Fax: +41(0)26 300 97 04 CH-1700 Freiburg - Switzerland | http://www.unifr.ch

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override
by Josh Hendricks May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

How do you override so that you can take an individual off of a mailing list without them having to do it? It is easy to subscribe but unsubscribing is a lot more difficult.

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Sent Once, Received Three Times
by Beachfrontads＠aol.com May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

I'm using MailMan as an advertising safelist for my website. I just sent out an ad through the safelist one time, but it appears that I sent it three times. This puts me at risk of being accused of spam, since I only allow one ad per day per member. Does anyone know why this happened? What can I do to prevent this from reoccurring? Scott Wilson BeachFrontAds.com ************************* Classified Ads & Safelist http://www.beachfrontads.com/ *************************

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List administrator password
by Adriana Ballesteros May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hi: One of the list mangers forgot the list password and I was wondering how can this be reset without the need of the old password in order to reset it. Is there a command that can be executed from the command line? Please let me know. Thank you and have a nice day. Adriana Ballesteros §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§ Adriana Ballesteros Programmer/Analyst Aurora University 347 South Gladstone Avenue Aurora, IL 60505 630/844-4220 Fax: 630/844-7850 §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§

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FW: Monthly password reminder is always sent twice?
by Mike Loiterman May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

My email lists seem to be sending out the monthly reminder twice to each user. Is there a simple way to understand why this is happening and how to fix it? I've checked the crontab entry and it looks like this: # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds and there are no duplicates. I'm sure someone has seen this before??

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Monthly password reminder is always sent twice?
by Mike Loiterman May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

My email lists seem to be sending out the monthly reminder twice to each user. Is there a simple way to understand why this is happening and how to fix it? I've checked the crontab entry and it looks like this: # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders. 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds and there are no duplicates. I'm sure someone has seen this before??

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ Wizard
by J C Lawrence May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

On Wed, 1 May 2002 01:20:49 +0200 Norbert Bollow <nb(a)thinkcoach.com> wrote: > Alternatively, I could set up a separate FAQ Wizard for (less > technical) list manager questions at listowner.org ... would this be > desirable? Why not simply create a less technical section in the current FAQ? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Questions about Mailman
by Geoffrey Kleinman May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hi, We've been in Lyris Hell for a number of months and are looking to move to another product. Been looking over Mailman and it looks really good. A couple of questions: Which version of Python do you recommend running. We have 1.5.2 installed should we use a more recent version? We have a total of 290K members, will Mailman support this? Which MTA do you recommend, We use Qmail on our other server but would be open to using something else for Mailman? Finally, what's the speed of send out of Mailman v. a Lyris? Thanks in Advance, Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Kleinman Kleinman.com, Inc. Email: talk(a)DVDTalk.com Phone: 503.977.2928 Fax: 702.995.9303 Kleinman.com Family of Websites: DVD Talk - http://www.DVDTalk.com Cosmetic Connection - http://www.CosmeticConnection.com Ask The Makeup Diva - http://www.Makeupdiva.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Change Headers
by J C Lawrence May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:28:11 -0700 Rey Carr <rcarr(a)islandnet.com> wrote: > Is it possible to get rid of this portion? Please see the FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending commands to a Mailman controlled mailing list.
by J C Lawrence May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

On Wed, 1 May 2002 00:51:20 -0400 Zack Rusin <zackrat(a)att.net> wrote: > Hi everyone, I'm implementing automatic mailing list handling in one > of the email clients (you can easily guess which one;) ) ... These questions would be better asked on -developers. > So: a) are there any specific Mailman commands > one can send to > Mailman via email? That are unique to Mailman? No. > And does Mailman follow the standard mailinglist-command(a)nowhere.com > syntax for them? Not in 2,0, mostly (don't know any exceptions) for 2.1. > b) should those messages have some specific headers/subjects/bodies, ?? Please clarify. > c) does the mailinglist-index(a)nowhere.com syntax work? Mp. > Can one get emails or threads this way: > mailinglist-get.100_113(a)nowhere.com, mailinglist-thread.13(a)nowhere.com No, Mailman does not currently support archive requests. > d) if any of the above is true, then is it possible to change those > commands, and if so then do admins actually do that? Possible in the sense of Open Source, also possible in terms of RFC 2369 being configurable on/off in 2,1, but that's about it. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Listserver Question
by J C Lawrence May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:25:13 -0400 Richard Schaffner <- Manchester" <rschaffner(a)gzea.com>> wrote: > 1) I have set the Listserver to moderated format so that messages go > to a queue awaiting my approval. This works well, but when I make > revisions to queued messages, those changes are ***not*** reflected on > the messages actually posted. I am sure it must be a setting issue, > but I have been all over the site and have not been able to figure out > how to fix this. > 2) Is there a way I can block posts from certain addresses from ever > reaching the queue? Please see the FAQ on both questions: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Change Headers
by Rey Carr May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

I like the mailman system. However, I run a particular list and I am the only one who can subscribe/unsubscribe members and no members can use the list to send messages to other members. Therefore, what I would like to be able to do is eliminate the header area that displays the following: List-Help: <mailto:peer-resources-request@ml.islandnet.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:peer-resources@ml.islandnet.com> List-Subscribe: <http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/peer-resources>, <mailto:peer-resources-request@ml.islandnet.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: A monthly newsletter for Peer Resources Network members only. <peer-resources.ml.islandnet.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://ml.islandnet.com/mailman/listinfo/peer-resources>, <mailto:peer-resources-request@ml.islandnet.com?subject=unsubscribe> Is it possible to get rid of this portion? Thanks. Rey Carr -- ******************************************* Peer Resources Navigation Tools for the Heart, Mind and Soul Rey A. Carr, Ph.D. Tel: (250) 595-3503 1052 Davie Street Fax: (250) 595-3504 Victoria, B.C. V8S 4E3 rcarr(a)islandnet.com Corporate Web: www.peer.ca/peer.html

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Sending commands to a Mailman controlled mailing list.
by Zack Rusin May 1, 2002

May 1, 2002

Hi everyone, I'm implementing automatic mailing list handling in one of the email clients (you can easily guess which one;) ) and would like to ask you a few questions, I'd really appreciate some sensible answers. So: a) are there any specific Mailman commands one can send to Mailman via email? And does Mailman follow the standard mailinglist-command(a)nowhere.com syntax for them? b) should those messages have some specific headers/subjects/bodies, c) does the mailinglist-index(a)nowhere.com syntax work? Can one get emails or threads this way: mailinglist-get.100_113(a)nowhere.com, mailinglist-thread.13(a)nowhere.com d) if any of the above is true, then is it possible to change those commands, and if so then do admins actually do that? Thanks, Zack Rusin P.S. Please CC me when replying. -- If it ain't broke, you need more software.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: kill old cron entry?
by Greg Long April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

Ashley, it's so funny you say that, I just killed it with a crontab -e because upon examination all the entries were to the "old" install in /var. Is there a script to create a new crontab or other recomendation? Got the entry in httpd.conf created, so the cgi scripts work now. -----Original Message----- From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley@pcraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:26 PM To: Greg Long Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: kill old cron entry? Greg Long wrote: > nope, went with the new recomendation of /home/mailman over > /var/mailman In that case, instead of running 'crontab -r'. run 'crontab -e' which will bring the cron entry up in the editor vi where you can delete the offending line(s) and save the new crontab. It gets reloaded automatically. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley@pcraft.com> . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

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Digest problem...
by Paul Stavrides April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

Hi I've upgraded our Mailman 2.0.9 software and now have the following error message when the cron senddigest routines run. We're running Sendmail as the MTA on RH 7.2. Yes, I did update the crontab with the new release of mailman: Anybody have an idea? Thanks. -paul Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main send_list_digest(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest mlist.Save() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 253, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir breaklink(pubdir) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 50, in breaklink os.unlink(link) OSError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/home/mailman/archives/public/molandpark'

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RE: kill old cron entry?
by Greg Long April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

nope, went with the new recomendation of /home/mailman over /var/mailman So...if I issue the command I imagine I'll need to reinstall. Which brings up a good question - what's the recommended procedure for doing this? -----Original Message----- From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley@pcraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:19 PM To: Greg Long Subject: Re: kill old cron entry? Greg Long wrote: > thanks - but one quick question - will that also nuke the needed > crontab for my now installed tarball of mailman? Yeap. > if so, should I just reinstall? There's a good change now that you've re-installed, you will no longer get that error. Specially if it's in the same location. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley@pcraft.com> . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

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Getting closer.... domain name includes host + no mailman subdir in Apache's html dir
by Greg Long April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

Getting closer...BUT no fat stogie. cut from the mail sent to to the new admin of "klug" which I deleted with the rmlist script after I realized the problems: You can configure your mailing list at the following web page: http://eagle.maneuveringspeed.com/mailman/admin/klug The web page for users of your mailing list is: http://eagle.maneuveringspeed.com/mailman/listinfo/klug 2 problems. Although eagle.maneuveringspeed.com resolves, I'd rather have it be www. or just the domain name of "maneuveringspeed.com". The more serious problem: There is no page to link to! in html/ I only have my park pages which you can see for yourself. Were they created someplace else? I'm not sure where to configure this, as I don't see any scripts that will configure these defaults. Did I mess up in ./configure before installing? Stock RedHat 7.2 install with Apache and postfix. thanks, Greg

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RE: kill old cron entry?
by Greg Long April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

I had tried an RPM for mailman http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/mailman-users-0204/7/2.html seemed to have probs running the check_perms script, (error on line 50) so attempted a rpm -e uninstall, which would not. Like a dolt, I just deleted the /var/mailman dir - and now root gets mail every minute: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cron Daemon <root(a)maneuveringspeed.com> To: mailman(a)maneuveringspeed.com Subject: Cron <mailman@eagle> /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailman/cron/qrunner' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Can anyone tell me where the cron entry would be that I have to nuke? Thanks, Greg

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kill old cron entry?
by Greg Long April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

I had tried an RPM for mailman http://msgs.securepoint.com/cgi-bin/get/mailman-users-0204/7/2.html seemed to have probs running the check_perms script, (error on line 50) so attempted a rpm -e uninstall, which would not. Like a dolt, I just deleted the /var/mailman dir - and now root gets mail every minute: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cron Daemon <root(a)maneuveringspeed.com> To: mailman(a)maneuveringspeed.com Subject: Cron <mailman@eagle> /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/qrunner /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/var/mailman/cron/qrunner' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Can anyone tell me where the cron entry would be that I have to nuke? Thanks, Greg

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Getting closer.... domain name includes host + no mailman subdir in Apache's html dir
by Greg Long April 30, 2002

April 30, 2002

Getting closer...BUT no fat stogie. cut from the mail sent to to the new admin of "klug" which I deleted with the rmlist script after I realized the problems: You can configure your mailing list at the following web page: http://eagle.maneuveringspeed.com/mailman/admin/klug The web page for users of your mailing list is: http://eagle.maneuveringspeed.com/mailman/listinfo/klug 2 problems. Although eagle.maneuveringspeed.com resolves, I'd rather have it be www. or just the domain name of "maneuveringspeed.com". The more serious problem: There is no page to link to! in html/ I only have my park pages which you can see for yourself. Were they created someplace else? I'm not sure where to configure this, as I don't see any scripts that will configure these defaults. Did I mess up in ./configure before installing? Stock RedHat 7.2 install with Apache and postfix.

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