Mailman 3 December 2007 - Mailman-Users

list of members?
by Tim Tyler Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

Mailman users, I have had some complaints from some of the faculty here that are owners of lists that they find the A through Z listing of members to be rather inconvenient at times. While it is convenient when looking for a particular member, its often inconvenient when trying to over look the entire member list. Is there a way within the GUI to view all members in one or a few pages rather than having to shift through 26 letter worth of users? Is there a way for them to generate the entire list to themselves? Note: Most of them don't have access to a shell account for running the bin/list_member command. If not, any hope of this flexibility in future releases? Tim Tyler Network Engineer - Beloit College tyler(a)beloit.edu

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Vexing withlist and possibly rewrite rule problem?
by Dragon Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

Ignacio Valdes wrote: >So now, the final vexing question is that I have all this seemingly >working but I cannot seem to get the mailman list to receive any >e-mail. I have not setup an e-mail box for linuxmednews-announce at >linuxmednews.com yet because I don't know what the server should do >with email to that address so that mailman uses it. Any thoughts? > >Thanks! ---------------- End original message. --------------------- How you configure it all depends on exactly what MTA you are using. In any case, there is no mailbox setup for a normal installation. Each of the MTA programs does it differently but there will either be aliases or config files that specify how mail gets delivered to and from mailman. Did you check the installation manual for instructions on how to set up mailman to work with your MTA? You can find it at: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html Specifically, you want to look at section 6 and follow the guide for whichever MTA you are using. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Vexing withlist and possibly rewrite rule problem?
by Ignacio Valdes Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

Okay, the magic incantation for httpd.conf at least for Fedora Core 6 httpd.conf file to use both Zope and Mailman at the same time with a consistent URL for both Zope and Mailman seems to be: <VirtualHost IP_OF_SERVER_HERE:80> ServerName linuxmednews.com ServerAdmin webmaster(a)linuxmednews.com ProxyPass /mailman/ ! ProxyPassReverse /mailman/ ! ProxyPass /pipermail/ ! ProxyPassReverse /pipermail/ ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/linuxmednews.com:80/linuxmednews… ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/linuxmednews.com:80/linuxmednews… </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost IP_OF_SERVER_HERE:80> ServerName www.linuxmednews.com # ServerAlias * # redirects everything Redirect permanent / http://linuxmednews.com/ </VirtualHost> On Dec 5, 2007 12:24 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Ignacio Valdes wrote: > > > >I am attempting to get the following URL to work: > >http://www.linuxmednews.com/mailman/listinfo/linuxmednews-announce on > >a server that is serving linuxmednews.com. If I use the withlist > >fix_url command for linuxmednews-announce and put it to the > >fully-qualified path that is desired as above, I cannot get to any of > >the web interface pages. I get a resource not found message. If I use > >withlist and set it to the numeric IP address, it halfway works in > >that I can get to everything, but I cannot send an e-mail to > >linuxmednews-announce at linuxmednews . com and have the list capture > >it. If I send it to linuxmednews-announce at ip address no, it works. > >What is desired is the fully-qualified URL above as well as the the > >fully qualified e-mail address, not the IP. What might I try to do to > >make this work? Thanks! > > > If you can mail to the list and access the web interface by IP but not by name, > it is a DNS issue. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Eliminating Duplicate Postings
by Barry Finkel Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

I wrote, in part: >>I have not been in contact with the recipient to determine exactly what >>he/she did. I would like to prevent this from occurring in the future. and Mark Sapiro replied: It's hard to know what happened, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were not some brain dead MTA doing this. I have seen messages returned to me that apparently got to some MTA that then decided to deliver a copy back to me apparently because I was in a To: or Cc: header of the original. Go to the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and find the second message (or a copy of it if you have it) and look at the chain of Received: headers for clues. All I can tell is that the original mail went to some address _________(a)lsu.edu at 7AM, and at 17:02 a mailer at LSU sent the mail back to Mailman. The only way I am going to be able to tell what happened is to contact the recipient at LSU and ask him what he might have done. I did see two copies of the mail in the mbox file, as you suggested I would. >I am confused about the Postfix log entry. The X-BeenThere: header is >generated by Mailman on outgoing mail and is checked by Mailman on >incoming mail to avoid reposting the same message to the same list. A >message to a list with an X-BeenThere: for that list will be discarded >and logged as a discard in the vette log. > >Postfix should pay no attention to an X-BeenThere: header, but It may >have detected a loop on some other criteria. I do not know why the copy to the second Mailman list here was blocked by Postfix. If I have some spare time, I will research the Postfix syslog message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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Postfix won't recognise lists built by Mailman.
by Rod＠freeserve Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

Hi I have had an installation of Mailman on RedHat with Sendmail for some year. It's worked really well - installed out of the box and made to work with very little pain. Worked so well I've never needed to post a message here before, although I've often browsed the archives from time to time. Now the installation has had to be moved to a fine new server with Postfix on Linux RHEL 5. It seems to work well for standard mail purposes. But I have been trying for several days to get it working with Mailman. Originally the problem was with my setup of Mailman - Apache didn't like the Mailman installation at /usr/local/mailman so I moved it to /var/www/html/mailman , fiddled with file and folder permissions and eventually settled on using the cgi-gid user and the mailman group, and at last Apache was happy. I can set lists up, configure them through the web, and receive notifications about new lists. But I cannot get a message through to the lists. Each list address returns "invalid user". The problem in summary is that Postfix does not appear to recognise the Mailman list. Can anyone help or suggest areas where I should look? Here's the detail. I build a Mailman list called test, add an address to the mailing list, and manually add the relevant alias to /etc/postfix/aliases (and then run postalias), and finally send a message to the list address. The error response "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender" comes in by email, and the Postfix mail log says: ---------- Dec 5 15:27:04 localhost postfix/pipe[3185]: 15373754FE: to=<test(a)AAAAAA.net>, relay=maildrop, delay=0.07, delays=0.04/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. ) ---------- The Mailman logs show no activity, i.e. the message has not been handled by Mailman. What seems to be happening is that Postfix is trying to deliver the message to a mailbox, instead of to the command in the aliases file. There is no mailbox 'test' on this server. Aliases contains this line: ---------- test: "|/var/www/html/mailman/mail/mailman post test" ---------- I've 'set allow_mail_to_commands = alias' in Postfix's main.cf. The question for Mailman experts who also know Postfix is - is this clearly a problem with my Postfix setup, or could the problem be that I have the wrong --with-mail-gid ?? If I had the mail-gid wrong, would this show up in the Mailman logs? After painfully trying lots of systematic changes to the Postfix setup without success, all I can think of now is either I'm using the wrong --with-mail-gid or I need to move the Mailman aliases into a separate mm.aliases file (then run postalias and amend the Postfix main.cf to recognise this) and change the permissions on that. If neither of those work I really have no idea where to go next. It's late here and I'm finishing for the day now. But if anyone has any input to point me in the right direction tomorrow I'd really appreciate it. Rod

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Delayed delivery
by Márcio Luciano Donada Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Sapiro escreveu: > Márcio Luciano Donada wrote: >> Hi, Now I have the mail server using debian etch with postfix. >> This same server have installed mailman and I have noticed that >> many times the mailman take long to deliver messages, sometimes >> even more than an hour. I wonder what you have when using the >> same e-mail server has the mailman to manage mailing lists. > >> # postconf -n > <snip> >> smtpd_recipient_limit = 10 > > > What do you have in mm_cfg.py for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS? The default is > 500 and if you do not have VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 or > personalization to cause Mailman to send individual messages, you > may be sending more recipients per transaction than Postfix will > accept causing multiple retries. Hi, Mark Thanks for your help, I was checking the mm_cfg.py and not found the parameter SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. The problem is that I use postfix in the smtpd_recipient_limit = 10 to limit some users. How should I proceed, I can simply add the parameter in mm_cfg.py? I need to improve performance, because the e-mails so much time to be delivered. I am using the version 2.1.9. The parameter is into default.py the values is 500. - -- Márcio Luciano Donada <mdonada at auroraalimentos dot com dot br> Aurora Alimentos - Cooperativa Central Oeste Catarinense Departamento de T.I. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHV+FlbjyCr4Ixg0wRAgoyAJ4rH7LUI39ct3FHbs6r3+Y3ERA5KgCgmi5F +hjLyVqEfYk3APfVLROWvNk= =pnjy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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mailman not populating virtual-mailman
by Richard Pyne Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

I have been running mailman for several years with few problems. I have now set up a new server and can't get mailman to populate the virtual- domain file when I create a new list. It does populate the aliases correctly and it did create the virtual-mailman entry for the default "mailman" list when I did the installation. Any help or hints where to look will be greatly appreciated. --Richard

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how migrate mojo archives to mailman archive
by Sandra Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

Hello, I would like to migrate mojo list archive to a mailman list archive. Do you have any idea to do that? Have anybody done it before. Thanks a lot. sandra

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Changing hostname of active list server
by Charles Marcus Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

According to 4.29 of the FAQ: ------------------------------------- 4.29. Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the web interface? For MM 2.1.2: Changing hostnames ------------------ These changes should be made $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. The applicable MM config variables are described in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. Typically something like what follows, at the end of your mm_cfg.py, will do the trick: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'your.mailhostname.tld' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'your.webhostname.tld' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) and some more add_virtualhost(URL_FQDN, EMAIL_FQDN) if you are using virtual hosts. DEFAULT_URL_HOST should be a fully qualified host name, not an actual URL, e.g. 'mailman.example.com' not 'http://mailman.example.com'. ------------------------------------------------- Currently, notices with URL references to cancel a posting are of the form aaaa.yyyyy.com, and I want to change it to bbbb.zzzz.com. Is this as simple as setting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py, then running: $prefix/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url ? I am running postfix in virtual domains mode, but I only have one domain right now, if that matters... I'm just a little nervous about 'fixing something that ain't broke'... ;) -- Best regards, Charles

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Memory usage
by Grigory Batalov Dec. 6, 2007

Dec. 6, 2007

Hi! Mailman qrunners eat a lot of memory on my site: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND mailman 30263 0.0 0.6 80108 13520 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 mailman 30584 0.0 0.7 82252 15640 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:5:6 mailman 30616 0.0 0.7 81940 15524 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:4:6 mailman 30646 0.0 0.8 84020 17548 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:3:6 mailman 30672 0.0 0.7 82192 15704 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:2:6 mailman 31774 0.0 0.6 79592 13108 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 mailman 31902 0.0 0.7 88520 15996 ? S 02:20 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 mailman 17971 0.0 1.0 87656 21112 ? S 02:36 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:2:3 mailman 18106 0.0 1.1 90700 24164 ? S 02:36 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:3 mailman 32494 0.0 1.2 92020 25632 ? S 02:52 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:3 mailman 32571 0.0 1.2 93360 26984 ? S 02:52 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:5:6 mailman 32739 0.0 0.7 81420 15040 ? S 02:52 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:1:3 mailman 1875 0.0 1.2 91780 25388 ? S 02:53 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:2:3 mailman 5216 0.0 1.3 94492 28124 ? S 02:56 0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:2:6 mailman 5779 0.0 0.6 80296 13740 ? S 02:57 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:6 mailman 25687 0.1 1.1 90904 24532 ? S 03:13 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:3:6 mailman 26274 0.0 0.8 83828 17548 ? S 03:14 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:1:3 mailman 5314 0.3 0.7 81504 14984 ? S 03:21 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:4:6 mailman 5382 0.2 0.5 78340 11968 ? S 03:21 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:1:6 mailman 5500 0.2 0.4 75856 9520 ? S 03:22 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:6 Sometimes their memory usage even grows up to 35Mb each. I would like to know, is it possible to reduce qrunners memory usage and how? There are 150 lists on the site and about 800 subscribers maximum. -- Grigory Batalov

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