Mailman 3 May 2007 - Mailman-Users

Low level smtp error: Server not connected
by Leonard Jacobs June 1, 2007

June 1, 2007

I am trying to run Mailman 2.1.9 on a CentOS 4 server with postfix 2.4.1. I had Mailman 2.1.5 running on a slower system and wanted to offload some apps to this newer server but am having problems. check_perms has no errors. Creating lists works fine and when postings are submitted the messages are delivered to the list admins re posting verifications. But only a few of the messages are getting delivered. logs/smtp-failure shows many of this type of error: "delivery to someone(a)gmail.com failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')" I am also seeing many " Low level smtp error: Server not connected, msgid" errors. I did try all the suggested fixes in the FAQ including adding the line to get error output in the logs/error file. And this file is showing successful delivery, such as "May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): reply: '250 2.1.5 Ok\r\n' May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): reply: retcode (250); Msg: 2.1.5 Ok May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): send: 'rcpt TO:<somebody(a)surewest.net>\r\n"" but the majority of the messages are simply stuck in the qfiles/out and qfile/rety directory. I am running python 2.5.1 so that I could get the error logging to work but this problem happened with python 2.3. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since my mailing list no longer works at all. Thanks.

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how can i simulate mailman pages
by jetta.view＠gmx.de May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

hi, how can i simulate mailman pages? i want to build my own page to add or remove members without any admin-confirmation. --> Membership Management... -->Mass Subscription --> Membership Management... -->Mass Removal --> Membership Management... -->Membership List in the next step i want to send the post data by script. (http://www.php-faq.de/q/q-code-post.html) does anybody did the same for something? i tested it, but it does not work and i don't know why. thanks for your help best regards emmi

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No domain name, Can I use mailman to build a maillist?
by jetspeed May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

I use exim4 as MTA, and mailman as maillist But I have no domain name besides my IP, so mails from other smtp servers can't be relayed to my MTA, How can I deal with this situation? Thx a lot

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum template size?
by Carter Braxton May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

"Patrick Bogen" <pdbogen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doesn't look like a size limitation. > Can you send your new template to the list so we can look at it? Sure thing. The following is the invite.txt file in question (edited to replace identifying names with "test"). It contains a general introduction and an FAQ for prospective list members, most of whom are -- to be kind -- not very computer literate. Following the FAQ is the original system-supplied invitation which when used by itself works as expected. The reason for the added material is that the first round of invitations resulted in mass confusion, making it apparent that some hand-holding was necessary. I just tested this to be certain, and the variable substitution does not take place -- the invitation email that is sent contains the variable names rather than the values: - - - - - - - - - - - - - CUT HERE - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ***** YOU ARE INVITED TO JOIN THE TEST MAILING LIST ***** This mailing list has been created as a test. Via this mailing list, members can: 1. Share tips, strategies, and updates. 2. Communicate instantly with a group of like-minded individuals. 3. Request advice, tips, etc. 4. Post links to helpful documents. 5. Request assistance. The benefits are unlimited. We ask, however, that this service not become yet another outlet for jokes, etc. Remember, this list serve is for TEST members *only*. --> HOW DO I JOIN? The simplest way is to simply reply to this message, leaving the subject line intact. More detailed instructions follow. --> I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, WHO DO I ASK? A detailed FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions list) may be found below. Technical questions regarding the list may be directed to: test-owner(a)test.test --> I REALLY DON'T WANT TO JOIN RIGHT NOW! If you do not wish to join the TEST mailing list, simply disregard this message and you will not be subscribed. (If you change your mind later and wish to subscribe at a later date, contact us as specified above.) =========================================================================== TEST Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Version 0.1 Last updated 5/21/2007 Maintained by: TEST list system administrator --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT IS A MAILING LIST? A: Email mailing lists are among the oldest methods of group interaction available on the Internet. The first such list was the "MsgGroup" mailing list which was created by Steve Walker, an ARPA program manager, in 1975. Popular early mailing lists included "human-nets" (human factors and networks), "network-hackers" (Internet programming), "sf-lovers" (science fiction), and "wine-tasters" (wine tasting). Although there have been many technological changes since that time, the basic idea remains the same: A group of people interested in a particular subject subscribe to a mailing list. Each email message sent by participants to a central location is distributed to the entire group for the purpose of conducting discussions and exchanging information. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE TEST MAILING LIST? A: The list was established to encourage the discussion of test issues. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: HOW DOES ONE SUBSCRIBE TO THE TEST MAILING LIST? A: Subscription to the TEST mailing list is restricted to TEST members and is granted via invitation only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT DO I DO AFTER I GET MY INVITATION? A: Your membership needs to be activated for you to become a list participant. There are a few ways to do this, but by far the easiest is to simply reply to the invitation without changing the subject line. After doing this you will receive a welcome message confirming your membership. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: I RECEIVED THE WELCOME MESSAGE, BUT I'M CONFUSED. WHAT ARE ALL THESE ADDRESSES AND PASSWORDS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT? A: The primary thing to be aware of is that it is *not* necessary to log in or to use a password to post to the TEST mailing list. Once your membership has been confirmed by responding to the invitation, you have full posting privileges. The web pages and passwords that the welcome message refers to are used for changing your membership settings. (For example, you might decide to receive messages in "digest mode" or you might need to change your email address. This will be covered in more detail later in this document.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: SO HOW DO I POST A MESSAGE TO THE LIST? A: Messages are distributed to the list by sending them to: test(a)test.test That's all there is to it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT ARE THE GROUND RULES FOR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE LIST? A: In general, messages should be kept to the topics of testing. The list should not be used as an outlet for jokes, personal messages, etc. Reasonable manners and conduct should be adhered to. Personal attacks on other participants and/or intentional disruptions may be cause for suspension of the offender's subscription. It is also important to note that while every effort is made to insure that only TEST members have access to the list, email is *not* a secure medium. As there can be no guarantee that messages will not be read by outsiders please do not post information that is best kept private. The preferred format for messages sent to the list is plain text. If possible, please configure your email software to send plain text to the list's posting address. Attachments are not permitted and a size limit of 40 kilobytes is imposed for each message. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHY CAN'T I SEND ATTACHMENTS? HOW COME MY MESSAGES TO THE LIST DON'T COME THROUGH WITH THE FONTS AND COLORS THAT I USED? A: There are a number of reasons for these restrictions: Internet email was designed for the efficient exchange of relatively short messages using plain text. Formatted email uses HTML encoding (which was designed for web sites) to make possible changes in text size, style, color, fonts, etc. For this to work, both the sender and receiver must be HTML compatible. The problem is that HTML encoding can dramatically increase the size of a message and can carry potentially malicious scripts, yet it rarely adds any real substance to message content. Particularly when sending messages in bulk, this bloat eats into server and bandwidth resources. However, since so many email programs send HTML by default and not everyone knows how to selectively disable that "feature," such messages are accepted by the list but are converted to plain text before being distributed. Attachments have the potential for being very large and may well carry viruses or spyware. If attachments were accepted, a single subscriber with an infected computer could spred their contagion to every list member who uses a Windows-based computer. Depending on the type of attachment the entire message will be rejected or the attachment will be deleted. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: I'M HAVING TROUBLE RECEIVING LIST MAIL AT MY AOL (OR HOTMAIL, YAHOO, ETC.) ADDRESS. EVERYONE ELSE CAN MAIL TO ME, WHAT'S GOING ON? A: The anti-spam measures that have been taken by many major ISPs and email services also place roadblocks in the way of legitimate mailing lists, which (like spam) are technically bulk mail. The reason for these measures is that spam has become such a pervasive problem, accounting for at least 75% of email traffic on the Internet, that it threatens the usefulness of email for many people. All we can suggest is that if your service provider rejects list mail that you try another service, possibly using a free web-based email account at services like www.fastmail.fm, www.mail.com, www.gmail.com, etc., and see if messages are accepted there. (Some of these services allow you to forward incoming messages to another address. We have done some limited testing with gmail.com, which has the forwarding feature, and it appears to accept TEST list mail.) More details on this problem may be found here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.042.htp --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: SINCE SPAM IS SUCH A PROBLEM, WHAT WILL STOP SPAMMERS FROM SENDING THEIR JUNK MAIL TO THE LIST? WILL THEY BE ABLE TO GET MY EMAIL ADDRESS? A: The TEST mailing list does not accept messages from non-subscribers, and subscriptions are granted by invitation only. This precludes spammers from sending junk mail to the list should they manage to obtain its mailing address. The addresses of list members is available only to the system administrator. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: ARE THERE ARCHIVES KEPT OF TEST MAILING LIST MESSAGES? A: No, we do not maintain archives of mailing list traffic. Subscribers are of course are free to save messages of interest using their own email system. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: CAN I GET LIST MESSAGES GROUPED TOGETHER INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUALLY? HOW DO I CHANGE MY EMAIL ADDRESS? CAN I TEMPORARILY STOP DELIVERY WHEN I GO ON VACATION? HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE? A: All of these, and more, are configured in your personal options. Your welcome message includes short instructions on how to set your personal options for list mail. There are two ways to interact with the list software, a web interface (using your web browser), and an email interface (comands sent to a special address). Here we will cover the web interface since most users will probably be most comfortable with it. The following is fairly lengthy and is broken up into subsections: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - HOW DO I ACCESS MY ACCOUNT SETTINGS? The following information in your welcome message is the key to accessing and modifying your account settings: 1. The web address for accessing your account. 2. The password needed for you to log into your account. (This is provided in your welcome message.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'M STILL CONFUSED. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH ALL THIS? 1. The web page address for changing your account options will look something like the following: http://www.test.test/cgi-bin/mailman/options/test/name%40domain.com The part that reads "name%40domain.com" is based on your email address. For example, if you signed up with an email address of "foo(a)bar.com," you would point your web browser to: http://www.test.test/cgi-bin/mailman/options/test/foo%40bar.com Since this address may be difficult to remember, you will probably want to bookmark it in your browser for future use. 2. On the login page you will see a place near the top to enter your personal password which was provided to you in your welcome message. Enter the password and click on the "Log in" button below it to go to your account options. Near the bottom of the page there is a "Remind" button. If you have lost your password, click on this button and it will be emailed to you. In the middle of the page there is also an "Unsubscribe" button that can be used to remove your address from the list. This will mail to you a confirmation message with further instructions. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OK, I'M IN THE "MEMBERSHIP CONFIGURATION" PAGE. NOW WHAT? That depends on what you want to do. There are a fair number of options that can be set. Not all are applicable to the TEST list. (Since we currently host a single mailing list, those options referring to "other mailing lists" are not used.) Here are some of the most common, from top of page to bottom: 1. To change your email address, simply enter it (twice) in the areas indicated on the screen and click on the "Change my address and name" button. You will be sent a confirmation message to your new address with instructions on activating the change. 2. To unsubscribe, click in the confirmation checkbox and click on the "Unsubscribe" button. THIS ACTION IS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY WITH NO OTHER CONFIRMATION! 3. To change your password, enter it twice where indicated and click on the "Change My Password" button. For all of the following options, set them as desired then click on the "Submit My Changes" button near the bottom of the page: 4. To stop mail delivery without unsubscribing, select "Disabled" for the "Mail delivery" option. (You can re-enable mail delivery at any time.) 5. To set "Digest Mode" (batch multiple messages together instead of mailing individually), select "On" for this option. Most users will also want to turn the "MIME" option On. 6. Normally you will receive a password reminder and the latest version of this FAQ on a monthly basis. To turn this off, select "No" for the "password reminder" option. When finished, click on the "Log out" button at the top-right part of the options page. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WHAT IF I WANT TO TRY SETTING MY OPTIONS VIA EMAIL? Those wishing to try the email method should send an email to the address "test-request(a)test.test" containing only the word "help" in the body of the message. The subject line does not matter. You will be mailed back a message detailing the available commands. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: IS THE LIST SERVE ALWAYS UP AND RUNNING? A: The server running the TEST mailing list normally runs 24/7. It may on occasion be necessary to take the server offline to do updates or perform other maintenance and repairs. It is also possible that the server's Internet connection may experience problems from time to time. List members will be informed prior to the server being taken offline whenever possible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT HAPPENS IF THE SERVER IS DOWN OR THERE ARE OTHER PROBLEMS? A: If the server or its Internet connection are down you will not be able to connect to the web-based interface for changing your subscription options. If you send email messages to the list while it is down, your service provider's mail system will retry for a period of time until either the message is delivered or a preset time limit expires. (This time limit and any notification messages can vary between service providers. Typically message delivery is retried every 4 hours for a period of four days.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH MY OWN EMAIL ACCOUNT? A: The server tracks the number of "bounces" (delivery failures) received for each subscriber's address. The list software has a formula that it uses to track bounces, when the maximum is exceeded that member's subscription is disabled. This has the effect that if your email service is experiencing temporary problems your subscription remains in effect. An extended problem (such as changing email addresses and not updating your your personal options) will ultimately result in your subscription being cancelled. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: WHAT SOFTWARE IS USED TO RUN THE TEST MAILING LIST? A: The operating system is Ubuntu Linux. The application software that actually runs the list is GNU Mailman. Information on these may be found at: http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. WHERE CAN I FIND MORE INFORMATION ON USING THE MAILING LIST? A: There is a user manual for Mailman available here: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member.pdf (Features that would otherwise permit the general public to subscribe have been disabled on the TEST list server.) You can also contact the list administrator by sending email to: test-owner(a)test.test =========================================================================== Your address "%(email)s" has been invited to join the %(listname)s mailing list at %(hostname)s by the %(listname)s mailing list owner. You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. You can also visit this web page: %(confirmurl)s Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to %(requestaddr)s: confirm %(cookie)s Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this message. 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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Splitting Subject
by Lloyd F. Tennison May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

I saw that, but it is not really an answer as te problem is that it is inserting a TAB, not whitespace, and that is what is causing the problem. A carriage return and spaces would be fine. The tab is what most clients cannot handle. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Splitting Subject Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: cpz(a)tuunq.com (Carl Zwanzig) In a flurry of recycled electrons, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote: > Am having a problem where Mailman is splitting a subject and adding a "\n" > and what seems to be a tab in the subject line in the mail logs.(The tab is > what can be seen in the headers after the message is sent.) This of course, > makes for a wrong display in mail clients. This was just discussed last week (or the week before). In short, the subject-line folding is correct, the mail client behavour is not. Please check this list's archives for a discussion. z! ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- users/lists%40viplist.us Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp Thanks. Lloyd F. Tennison lloyd(a)viplist.us No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message. However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.

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Unable to Create New Lists
by Phil Fonville May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts go out to list subscribers. Failed attempts yield this message: Error: Unknown virtual host: bashful(a)troxlerlabs.local my mm_cfg.py file contains: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/ DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts. My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is bashful.troxlerlabs.local I have stopped and restarted the qrunner. I should mention that my setup includes Postfix and Apache running in the same host. All this is in a SUSE Linux 10.2 virtual machine with NAT and ports 25 and 80 forwarded to their respective applications. This virtual machine worked fine on a different host, pfonvillepc2 (with "pfonvillepc2" substituted for all instances of "bashful") before moving it to bashful. I have looked for posts and FAQs for similar problem(s) but couldn't find any. Would be grateful for any help.

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Which script does /admin/members call?
by Curtis Preston May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

I need to know which script is called when I run the /admin/members page and press Submit. I can't figure it out since ./cgi-bin/members is a binary. (I'm continuing down my path of trying to figure out how to set the digest mode via wget and I need to see how Mailman is parsing this form.) --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup & Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies

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Using wget to turn digest mode on/off
by Curtis Preston May 31, 2007

May 31, 2007

I need to be able to interact with MailMan via php without using the command line, so I've been playing around with using URL commands. I've been able to do several things in MailMan using wget (and php's file_get_contents subroutine), but there's one that's eluding me. Here's what I CAN do: List the mailing lists on the server: http://<domain>/mailman/admin List a user if they're in a given list. It also shows whether they're using digest mode. http://<domain>/mailman/admin/<listname>/members?findmember=<user>@<doma in>.com&adminpw=<pw> Subscribe a user without telling anybody: http://<domain>/mailman/admin/<listnam>/members/add?subscribe_or_invite= 0&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&notification_to_list_owner=0&subscrib ees_upload=<user>@<domain>.com&adminpw=<pw> Unsubscribe a user without telling anybody: http://<domain>/mailman/admin/<listname>/members/remove?send_unsub_ack_t o_this_batch=0&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&unsubscribees_up load=<user>@<domain>.com&adminpw=<pw> BUT what I CAN'T do is turn a user's digest mode on or off. I've tried: http://<domain>/mailman/options/<listname>/<user>--at--<domain>?digest=0 &options-submit&options-submit&adminpw=<pw> But that doesn't authenticate. On the real web side, it works if you authenticate FIRST with another page, then call the user's options page after you're authenticated as the admin, but I don't think I can do that with wget. I've tried: http://<domain>/mailman/admin/<listname>/members/list?lfind_member=<user >@<domain>&digest=off&setmemberopts_btn&adminpw=<pw> But there I've got the problem that an unchecked radio button doesn't show up. I've tried several iterations with no luck. HELP! (TIA) --- W. Curtis Preston Author of O'Reilly's Backup & Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies

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Connection Refused
by Jason Pruim May 30, 2007

May 30, 2007

Hi Everyone, Been using mailman for awhile and have recently run into some trouble with it. I installed ASSP which I think may be conflicting with the config of mailman. I think the fix I have to do is to add the SMTPPORT and SMTPHOST details in the mm_cfg.py file. My question is... Exactly how do I edit that file? I tried to edit it with pico but that didn't work, all the stuff was scrambled. Is there some trick that I don't know? Mailman Version 2.1.5 Operating System: Macintosh OS X Server 10.4.9 MTA: Postfix Version 2.1 (I believe) ASSP Verion 1.3.1 Let me know if you need any other info and thanks in advance!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What happens to expired invitations?
by Carter Braxton May 30, 2007

May 30, 2007

"Mark Sapiro" <msapiro(a)value.net> wrote: > In any case, it would be easier to apologize and resend the invitations. Thanks, that has been done. Is there a way to list the current pending invitations in the database? Since to my knowledge these are the only pending items (there is no moderation), I came up with: grep @ pending.pck | cut -d \' -f 2 >pending-invites.txt ...to get a list of addresses for which invitations are pending. This is obviously just an ugly hack, is there a supported way to list what's in the pending database? = Orlando Vacation Offer Buy a Universal Orlando Vacation, Get 7 days of Unlimited Admission. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=290a3416facf4eb06e7dd03…

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