Mailman 3 June 2007 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Blank Characters Removed from "Subject:" Line
by Barry Finkel 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

Barry Finkel writes: >> I am running Mailman 2.1.9. I have a list where one posting has a >> "Subject:" line: >> >> Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible Antivirus Problems >> >> The next posting in the thread has: >> >> Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible AntivirusProblems and "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> replied: >What is happening, I guess, is that Mailman is folding that header to >keep it within some number of characters, maybe 76 or so. RFC 2822 >specifies that this may be done by inserting a linebreak (CRLF) before >whitespace. The RFC implies that the right thing to do in that case >is to remove the CRLF only, but some MUAs also remove a space. I >suspect that is what is happening to this case. > >Can you post a copy of the "raw" header as received by Mailman and as >sent by Mailman? Below are pieces of two messages. I have the original message from the archives of the sender followed by the relevant lines of the list .mbox file (including line numbers). ======================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: ... Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:30 PM To: ... Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible AntivirusProblems Not a question ... ======================================================================= 184331 Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible 184332 AntivirusProblems 184333 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:29:52 -0500 184342 From: ... 184343 To: ... 184358 184359 Not a question ... ======================================================================= ======================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: ... Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:50 PM To: ... Cc: ... Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list withpossibleAntivirusProblems Hi ... ======================================================================= 184735 Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list 184736 withpossibleAntivirusProblems 184737 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:50:20 -0500 184747 From: ... 184748 To: ... 184751 Cc: ... 184765 184766 Hi ... ======================================================================= ======================================================================= In both cases, I do not see that Mailman has removed any blanks from the "Subject:" line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem/Question Regarding Bounce Processing
by Barry Finkel 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

Barry Finkel wrote: >> I have a question/problem with Mailman bounce processing. >> We have Mailman lists here that are re-built every morning from our >> Human Resources database. When mail is sent to one of these lists, and >> one or more of the e-mail addresses therein have problems, I see in my >> morning report (and/or in the Mailman bounce log) that specific >> addresses have had bounces. I do not see the rejection messages that >> are sent to >> >> listname-bounce >> >> so I do not know what the problem might have been. I assume that the >> rejection message is discarded after it has been processed, the >> bounce log appended, and the e-mail address bounce score increased. >> I would like to be able to correct those bad addresses that come from >> our HR Database when they are first seen as bad, but I cannot correct >> them if I do not know what the nature of the bounce was. And I really >> do not want to have to send test mail to each of the failed addresses >> in order to get a rejection message. And Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> replied: >I'm not sure what the issue is. Do these bad addresses never get removed >because you are continuously removing and re-adding them, thus resetting >their bounce score every day? Or do you just want to see the 'first' >bounce from a new member so you can delete that address faster than >normal bounce processing does? > >You are correct about what Mailman does. The only actual bounce DSN that >is not simply discarded after processing is the one that caused the >score to reach threshold and disables delivery. That one is sent to the >list owner with the disable notice if bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes. > >If the problem is that bad addresses are never getting disabled and >removed because you are continuously rebuilding the list and resetting >scores, you could try using bin/sync_members to update the list from the >HR data. This will not reset scores or options for existing members. > >If that is not the issue, and you just want to see the first bounce for >a new member, and you don't want to do this in the MTA and you don't >want to modify Mailman code, the only way is to set >bounce_score_threshold to 1.0 or less so that everyone is disabled on >the first bounce and then re-enable those that shouldn't be disabled >so soon. I am sorry that I was not clear in my posting. In a "normal" list, where persons subscribe and unsubscribe, I am content with the Mailman bounce processing, where Mailman will set "nomail" for addresses that continually bounce. When there is a bad e-mail address in our HR Database, that address needs to be corrected so that future mailings to that address, either via a Mailman list or via an ad-hoc mailing list derived from the HR Database, will reach the intended recipient. With the Mailman lists, I (as Mailman admin) do not see the rejection message; neither do the individual list owner(s). So, without my daily report I do not know that a bounce has occurred, and I do not know the nature of the bounce. As I did this morning, I had to send test mail to the address to get a rejection message to see what the failure was. If there is a bounce, can I be assurred that the bounce was due to the mailbox not existing? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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Problem/Question Regarding Bounce Processing
by Barry Finkel 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

I have a question/problem with Mailman bounce processing. We have Mailman lists here that are re-built every morning from our Human Resources database. When mail is sent to one of these lists, and one or more of the e-mail addresses therein have problems, I see in my morning report (and/or in the Mailman bounce log) that specific addresses have had bounces. I do not see the rejection messages that are sent to listname-bounce so I do not know what the problem might have been. I assume that the rejection message is discarded after it has been processed, the bounce log appended, and the e-mail address bounce score increased. I would like to be able to correct those bad addresses that come from our HR Database when they are first seen as bad, but I cannot correct them if I do not know what the nature of the bounce was. And I really do not want to have to send test mail to each of the failed addresses in order to get a rejection message. I know that I can add an additional address in the /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases file to the listname-bounce: alias line, but I do not want to do this manually every time I create a new list. Are there any suggestions on what I can do? Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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I lost my patch :-(
by Jon Slater 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

I had to re-install MM from scratch this weekend. A long time ago, I had installed a patch that allowed ALL of the member’s of one group to send mail to another group. Example: In my ‘board_member’ list, under “Privacy options” (Sender filters). I have: “@members” in the box labeled “List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted” That way, anyone on the “member’s” list can e-mail the “board_member” list. But, in order for this to work, there was a patch that I had to install in MM. I remember it was really easy to do, but I can’t find my instructions. Does anyone know where that’s explained? And how I get it back? Thanks! Jon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM

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Formatted email
by Chuck Puckett 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

When I send a message to my Mailman lists (for which I'm a member), I get the original formatted message. (I put pictures and dress it up: it's announcing theatre events, good to spice it up). Some (all?) of my membership apparently have the formatting stripped, and just get plain text. Does mailman strip formatting? If so, why does it appear formatted to me? And can I let the formatting pass on through? I see no obvious properties that seem to control this ("plain" on the Membership Management refers to a digest, which is not what I'm intending, nor wish to have used in that manner). Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD <blocked::http://www.puckettpublishing.com> www.puckettpublishing.com "The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck)

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Problem with mailman and exim.
by Alberto V. I. 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

Hi, I am new at this list. I have a problem with mailman and exim: I create mailman list and then I receive the notificacion to admin email, then I create anyother list without problems, beeing notified by mailman, but I cannot receive mails to list, If I send any mail to list, I obtain no result. I followed : /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian I did everything but/except : "and list all your Mailman domains in"POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS". All the rest things are made, do I need to use virtual domains? Using mailman 2.1.9 and exim 4.63 under debian GNU/Linux.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blank Characters Removed from "Subject:" Line
by Barry Finkel 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

Barry Finkel writes: > > I am running Mailman 2.1.9. I have a list where one posting has a > > "Subject:" line: > > > > Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible Antivirus Problems > > > > The next posting in the thread has: > > > > Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible AntivirusProblems "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> replied: >What is happening, I guess, is that Mailman is folding that header to >keep it within some number of characters, maybe 76 or so. RFC 2822 >specifies that this may be done by inserting a linebreak (CRLF) before >whitespace. The RFC implies that the right thing to do in that case >is to remove the CRLF only, but some MUAs also remove a space. I >suspect that is what is happening to this case. > >Can you post a copy of the "raw" header as received by Mailman and as >sent by Mailman? I am not sure I have this information. What I see (and posted) from the list .mbox file - is that what was received by Mailman or what was sent? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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Simple way to change archive settings
by Pat Riehecky 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

I know that this falls under the withlist command, but I am not really python savvy so.... How exactly would I go about deleting the archives for about 15 lists and setting their archive attributes to off? Pat

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Taboo body?
by Mark J. Bradakis 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

I've poked around a bit in various list related archives, but haven't found a definitive answer. Has anyone implemented some sort of add-on, filter or whatever to give mailman something like the majordomo 'global taboo body' rejection capability? All the predefined content filters seem to just pass or delete attachments, and not actually work on basic message body text. Will I have to just roll my own? mjb.

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Need help very badly
by Kaiser Ahmed 28 Jun '07

28 Jun '07

Hi, I am a new user of mailman. I setup my server and tried to create a mailing list. The following massage occurred. I don't know how to solve it. Please suggest me the steps to be taken to solve this issue. Thanking you, Kaiser Ahmed System Engineer BSS, Dhaka. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 187, in process_request mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs, emailhost) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 457, in Create self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 372, in InitVars baseclass.InitVars(self) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 95, in InitVars os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/english_news.mbox' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.4 (#1, Nov 4 2004, 14:06:56) [GCC 3.4.2 20041017 (Red Hat 3.4.2-6.fc3)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_REFERER http://mail.bssnews.org/mailman/create SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Server at mail.bssnews.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 QUERY_STRING CONTENT_LENGTH 146 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME mail.bssnews.org REMOTE_ADDR 202.84.38.126 HTTP_VIA 1.1 gateway.bss-bd.com:8080 (squid/2.5.STABLE6) SERVER_PORT 80 SERVER_ADDR 202.84.38.126 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html PYTHONPATH /usr/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/create SERVER_ADMIN root@localhost HTTP_HOST mail.bssnews.org HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache, max-age=259200 REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR 192.168.0.31 REMOTE_PORT 51774 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate

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