Mailman 3 August 2011 - Mailman-Users

Email address subscribed to many annoucement lists but only recieves one copy on an annoucement sent to multiple lists
by Chase, Edward 17 Aug '11

17 Aug '11

Hi there, The long subject pretty much states my issue. I have an email address that is subscribed to many moderated announcement lists in my organization. If a message is sent to more than one list, I only receive the first copy that gets approved. I've found section 7.2 in the user documentation in the wiki (http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+2.1+Members+Manual#Mailman2.1Membe…) but am not sure this is applies to this situation. It's not like these emails are being sent to both me and the list address. They are being sent to list1, list2, list3, and list4. I happen to be on all of them for monitoring purposes. I'm sure there are others within my organization that are on more than one of these lists. We have administrators that like to see that their message has gone out to all the student announcement lists. Your feedback is most appreciated. Thanks. Edward Chase Providence College Information Technology

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stagger send
by dumpsterdiver 16 Aug '11

16 Aug '11

Hi, my hosting service just let me know that I have exceeded their allowable emails per hours send limit. They suggested I use a mailing list that can stagger my sends. Does Mail Man do this and how? I'd love to continue using this platform. Thanks!

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Cannot to make work mailman correctly
by James Brown 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

I have a vds under Free-BSD-8.1-STABLE which I use for maintaining of public sites and etc. Under that vds I have a mailing system which consits from an exim-4.76 which receives and sends emails to/from local mail users and dovecot-1.2.17 which lets get receiving post to email-clients. I want to set up the Mailman for maintaining post lists. Firstly, created subdomain 'list.somename.name' in my bind-settings. It works correctly. Then, after installing the Mailman from ports, I set up my Apache to work with it. My Apache wokrs correctly too. Then I checked and changed my exim configuration file and etc and tested list verification command with the next result: > exim -bt news(a)list.somename.name > Address rewritten as: news(a)list.somename.name > news(a)list.somename.name > <-- news(a)list.somename.name > <-- news(a)list.somename.name > <-- news(a)list.somename.name > router = localuser, transport = local_delivery Further I created a site-wide mailing list and a mailing list as in described in /usr/local/share/doc/mailman/mailman-install.txt but it is not works well. It is possible to subscribe to list throwgh the web-form, it is possible to receive emails after that for subsribing confirmation to local email users which I tried to subsribe, is is possible to confirm subscription through the web but not through email and it is impossible to receive emails from list and to see the archive sending to list throupgh the web. With accordance to the above I have some questions: 1) What I do wrong? 2) Where is I need to indicate aliases after creating the new list - in /etc/aliases (which is a symbolic link to /etc/mail/aliases in FreeBSD) or in /usr/local/etc/exim/aliases? 3) Does it need to create in the /usr/local/etc/exim/passwd email-users such as maillistname(a)list.somename.name or not? I don't read any about it in /usr/local/share/doc/mailman/mailman-install.txt and here http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html and firstly I did not create 'em. I had the next exim logs that time: > H=mail.somename.name [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] sender verify fail for <news-bounces(a)list.somename.name>: all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts > H=mail.somename.name [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F=<news-bounces(a)list.somename.name> rejected RCPT <mailman-owner(a)list.somename.name>: Sender verify failed > H=mail.somename.name [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] sender verify fail for <news-bounces(a)list.somename.name>: all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts > H=mail.somename.name [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F=<news-bounces(a)list.somename.name> rejected RCPT <adm(a)somename.name>: Sender verify failed > H=router45-readme.domainname1.net ([0.0.0.0]) [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] F=<adm(a)somename.name> rejected RCPT <mailman-request(a)list.somename.name>: all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts 4) If I need to create an email user for lists in /usr/local/etc/exim/passwd, how I can indicate to the Mailman its password for authentificaton? Or what I need to do instead? 5) If I need to create an email user for lists in /usr/local/etc/exim/passwd, what is home directory of it I need to indicate? As I think, I need to indicate one of the directories existing in /usr/local/mailman/archives, probably /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/nameoflist? I created public list named "news" through the web-form, but it was created the next symbolic link: > ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/public >> lrwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman news -> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/news not a directory. So I have the next too: > ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/private > total 8 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 mailman > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 mailman.mbox > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 news > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 news.mbox When I tried to indicate it as the email user "news" home directory in /usr/local/etc/exim/passwd and when I tried to indicate /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/news or /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/news.mbox as it, after sending an email to the list I had the next exim logs: > 1Qqh5b-0001Qz-Kx == news(a)list.somename.name (news(a)list.somename.name, news(a)list.somename.name) <news(a)list.somename.name> R=localuser T=local_delivery defer (13): Permission denied: while creating mailbox /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/news.mbox/mbox > 1Qqh5b-0001Qz-Kx == news(a)list.somename.name (news(a)list.somename.name, news(a)list.somename.name) <news(a)list.somename.name> R=localuser T=local_delivery defer (-52): Retry time not yet reached 6) As I use an email system for my usual needs consists from exim + dovecot, do I need to include the dovecot in working with my Mailman email list by any method? The current configuration file of my exim attached. Yours, James

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Mailman throughput
by Ivan Fetch 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

Hello, I am trying to gage the capability of a Mailman virtual machine, which we will be moving our lists to. I'd like to do my best to size and tune this VM, and it's Postfix and Mailman installation, before putting it in production, and potentially having to troubleshoot and tune in a hurry. What is a reasonable / realistic way to benchmark a Mailman installation? Are there details of other similarly sized instlalations and throughput numbers which I can compare? We have 1300 mailing lists, and average 68000 posts to lists per day. We have lists as large as 7000 subscribers, but I'd say that the average size of a list is 500 subscribers (this number is a rough guess, based on some crunching of Mailman logs). THe new VM will receive messages for mailing lists using Postfix. Mailman hands off to a separate box to deliver to list recipients. So Postfix on the Mailman VM will not be busy trying to deliver to subscribers. I am sending some test messages through the VM, but don't know whether this is useful or pointless, in telling me how capable the VM is. The VM processed 10000 messages in an hour and 10 minutes. The messages went to two lists, one with 25 recipients and the other with 500 recipients. The VM (Linux) peaked at a load average of 4 (2 VCPUs), and was using 800Mb of it's 2G ERAM for IO caching. I could add more resources, but it doesn't look like they would get used. Initially (maybe for the first 15-20 minutes) the Postfix queue had to catch up submitting messages to Mailman. After that, qfiles/in was empty, and the work which remained was to process qfiles/out and SMTP the outbound messages to the relay. I raised SMTP_MAX_RCPTS from 500 to 1000, but this did not seem to make a difference. SO I may be able to tune Postfix handing off to Mailman, as well as Mailman handing off to the SMTP relay. Any suggestoins here? The current Mailman box runs SOlaris / Sparc. The Mailman processes use 1.2G of memory, and CPU (this is a Sunfire 880, 4 Ultrasparc III procs) hovers around 5%. Thanks, Ivan. .

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Are Mailman's files sparse?
by Ivan Fetch 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

Hello, As part of copying our Mailman data from one box to another, I wanted to verify: are any of Mailman's data files, sparse, E.G> the .pck files and other files in the data directory? It looks to me like the answer to this is no. Thanks, Ivan. .

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More virtual hosts woes: mail to listname-request@domain.org bounces with loop back
by Tom Browder 11 Aug '11

11 Aug '11

I had success on most fronts as discussed on the thread: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-August/072029.html However, one of my testers tried to use the e-mail help request system and got a bounce. I just tried it and got the same thing. I e-mailed "graytags-request(a)usafa-1965.org" (and also to "graytags-request(a)lists.usafa-1965.org") and received this: =====================> This is the mail system at host vh1.mygnus.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <Graytags-request(a)usafa-1965.org>: mail for usafa-1965.org loops back to myself Final-Recipient: rfc822; Graytags-request(a)usafa-1965.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;Graytags-request(a)usafa-1965.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for usafa-1965.org loops back to myself <===================== -Tom USAFA, CS-24, Class of 1965 Niceville, Florida, USA

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SOLVED: Digest bit unset
by WFlanagan 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

Realized that I could unsub all list members using the files from which I had loaded them. This did not change the extensive configurations made previously. Changed the selection of "Digest" to "Regular" and reloaded addresses. regards.

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Can I convert all subscribers to non-digest at once?
by William Flanagan 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

After loading 2,200 addresses and configuring mailman, I see that the subscribers are all checked for digest delivery. Since this is a distribution-only list, I need them to be non-digest. However, I don't see a control for that, nor anything on the topic in the wiki or email archive. Please tell me I don't have to recreate the list and how to remove the digest check marks in the user management list. Thanks. Bill

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User management via email?
by Chase, Edward 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

Hello mailman-users, I'm currently moving my organization's announcement mailing lists onto GNU-Mailman, in the past I've been able to script an email message to send to our mailing list software to subscribe an address to a list as part of my user creation process. I thought that I had done this task as part of my initial testing, but I cannot find that I documented that at all. My Google-fu is coming up very empty on the subject. I've found a number of people asking the same question with few replies. The best I found was a *dated* web page that states that user management is only possible via the web interface. Is it possible to do user management via email at this time? Thanks. --- Edward Chase Information Technology Department Providence College

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mailman and drupal
by Russell Clemings 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

I have a Drupal site and a number of Mailman lists (cPanel flavor) on the same server and would like to set things up so users can subscribe/unsubscribe and manage their subscriptions via the Drupal site. There appears to be an appropriate set of Drupal modules for that: http://drupal.org/project/mailman_manager http://drupal.org/node/195527 (user mailman register) http://drupal.org/project/mailman_groups (maybe) Can anyone out there vouch for them, or warn me away from them, or suggest a better alternative? The main user complaint I want to deal with is the fact that they now have separate logins and passwords for the two systems. I also want to use Drupal organic groups as the list archives, which I think I can do by having a Drupal mailhandler mailbox subscribed to the lists. Not sure how I will restrict access to the archives, however. Advice welcome on that too.

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