Mailman 3 May 2007 - Mailman-Users

Listing Subscriptions with bounce_score>0
by Barry Finkel May 30, 2007

May 30, 2007

I have previously posted to this list about lists that I have whose membership is based on external sources (e.g., a Human Resources database). I update the list memberships daily via sync_members One problem I have is with bounce processing. All bounces are processed by Mailman, which updates a bounce_score for the subscriber. Some of these lists are used infrequently, so I set bounce_info_stale_after = 40 I have set bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = Yes so the owner will see all subscriptions disabled due to bounces. I have not changed bounce_score_threshold = 5.0 so there can be a number of bounces before the threshold is reached, the subscription is disabled, and the list owner is notified. I want to know about all bounces so that I can have the HR database updated, if necessary. What I want to do is run a cron job daily that will list all of the subscriptions in all of the lists where bounce_score>0. I started cloning list_members, but I decided that before I go too far I should ask this list (1) if anyone has done this and can share the code, and (2) if this is the proper way to proceed. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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What happens to expired invitations?
by Carter Braxton May 30, 2007

May 30, 2007

How are expired invitations handled? Are they actually deleted from the pending database, or are they just marked as expired? If the latter is there any way to reactivate them? I stupidly managed to send out some invites that wound up with an expiration of zero days -- didn't realize that when adding PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE to mm_cfg.py that this variable needs an arg of "days(10)" rather than just "10" to set a 10 day expiration time. Now people are being turned down trying to confirm invitations that have immediately expired. (D'oh!) (I expect it will be necessary to send replacement invitations now that the PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE variable is properly set, but thought I'd check first...) = Medical Transcription Service Cambridge transcriptions provides fast, accurate and professional transcription services to legal, medical and corporate clients. Court reporter and videographer services also available. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3acbcd5b3263dafce99582c…

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected
by Leonard Jacobs May 30, 2007

May 30, 2007

Thanks for your suggestion to read the FAQ and the associated list postings. I actually found those same postings and tried every suggestion in them that was relevant. Unfortunately nothing worked to resolve this annoying problem. There may be a setting that is incorrect and there may be something posted that explains this problem and provides a solution but so far I have not located anything that fixes it for me. It is strange that a pretty vanilla installation, CentOS and Postfix with the latest Mailman version of 2.1.9 is so hard to configure and use. And this after using it on a CentOS 3 box but with frequent delays in sending and unusal errors. So moving the list was necessary but made the list totally unusable. I have heard from a few others with similar problems and no solution, so I know I am not the only user with these issues. Any further suggestions would be appreciated. mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Low level smtp error: Server not Connected (Leonard Jacobs) > 2. Re: Low level smtp error: Server not Connected (Brad Knowles) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not Connected > From: > Leonard Jacobs <ljacobs(a)shambhala.com> > Date: > Mon, 28 May 2007 10:06:37 -0400 > To: > mailman-users(a)python.org > > To: > mailman-users(a)python.org > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: > 7bit > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Message-ID: > <465AE1ED.5020508(a)shambhala.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Message: > 1 > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Low level smtp error: Server not connected (Stephen J. Turnbull) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected >> From: >> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> >> Date: >> Sun, 27 May 2007 20:30:19 +0900 >> To: >> ljacobs(a)shambhala.com >> >> To: >> ljacobs(a)shambhala.com >> CC: >> mailman-users(a)python.org >> >> Precedence: >> list >> MIME-Version: >> 1.0 >> References: >> <7c5b3fd245874985b5fa1fa9049a7b2c(a)shambhala.com> >> In-Reply-To: >> <7c5b3fd245874985b5fa1fa9049a7b2c(a)shambhala.com> >> Message-ID: >> <871wh24i7o.fsf(a)uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> >> Content-Type: >> text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Message: >> 1 >> >> >> Leonard Jacobs writes: >> >> > "delivery to someone(a)gmail.com failed with code -1: (104, >> > 'Connection reset by peer')" I am also seeing many " Low level smtp >> > error: Server not connected, msgid" errors. >> >> This seems likely to be either a Postfix problem, or maybe you've >> caught a social disease (ie, a bunch of big ISPs have decided you're a >> spammer). Either way, the first place to investigate is the Postfix >> logs. >> >> > Wish it were so simple. There are no obvious errors in the postfix > maillog files. In fact postfix is receiving and sending messages fine, > just no mailman messages are getting delivered except for the response > to the list creator that the list was created and notifications to the > list posters that there is a message waiting to be reviewed. Once the > moderated poster's message is released from the queue, it triggers the > "server not connected" errors and never actually delivers any messages. > > Strange behavior and I would appreciate any other insights and > suggestions. > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude EVA] > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not Connected > From: > Brad Knowles <brad(a)shub-internet.org> > Date: > Mon, 28 May 2007 17:57:41 -0500 > To: > Leonard Jacobs <ljacobs(a)shambhala.com>, mailman-users(a)python.org > > To: > Leonard Jacobs <ljacobs(a)shambhala.com>, mailman-users(a)python.org > > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > <465AE1ED.5020508(a)shambhala.com> > In-Reply-To: > <465AE1ED.5020508(a)shambhala.com> > Message-ID: > <p06240800c2810d24bbae(a)[192.168.1.66]> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > Message: > 2 > > > On 5/28/07, Leonard Jacobs wrote: > >> Wish it were so simple. There are no obvious errors in the postfix >> maillog files. In fact postfix is receiving and sending messages fine, >> just no mailman messages are getting delivered except for the response >> to the list creator that the list was created and notifications to the >> list posters that there is a message waiting to be reviewed. Once the >> moderated poster's message is released from the queue, it triggers the >> "server not connected" errors and never actually delivers any messages. > > Searching through the archives of the mailman-users list (in > accordance with FAQ 1.18) turns up a number of hits. I did > <http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Server+not+connected%22+inurl:mail.python…>, > but there are other searches that could also have been done. > > In the article at > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-August/046366.html>, > the problem was an inappropriate setting for SMTPPORT that needed to > be fixed in the mm_cfg.py file. > > Then there's the article at > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-September/046418.html>, > where Mark Sapiro points out essentially the same search, and other > issues that other people needed to resolve, in particular "setting > SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to 1 and/or setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to > some small number." > > Then there's the article at > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/038047.html>, > and more than sixty others. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude EVA]

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error email from mailman (what does it mean)?
by Peter Matulis May 30, 2007

May 30, 2007

I have mail for the mailman user redirected to my account. Today I got this in my inbox. What should I do to correct my setup? Thanks for any help. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 154, in ? main() File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 140, in main compress(f) File "/usr/local/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 81, in compress outfp = gzip.open(txtfile+'.gz', 'wb', 6) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/gzip.py", line 49, in open return GzipFile(filename, mode, compresslevel) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/gzip.py", line 95, in __init__ fileobj = self.myfileobj = __builtin__.open(filename, mode or 'rb') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/spool/mailman/archives/private/somelist/2006-April.txt.gz' Peter

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo
by W. Curtis Preston May 29, 2007

May 29, 2007

I finally saw this and would love to respond to the question. The component is indeed up and functioning on my site, and the code is available for anyone who wants to hack away. You can read all about it here: http://www.backupcentral.com/content/view/108/47/ (I also updated the MailMan FAQ Wizard entry about this idea.) Scott Harris did this as a favor to me, so I really own the code now and Scott's off the project now that it's up and running. If there's anyone who would like to help further the work, especially in terms of making it more Joomla! friendly, then I'd love to have your help now that it's started. At 10:55 AM -0700 4/23/07, David Southwell wrote: > There was a interesting aside about some work done by Scot Harris but no link > to him e or to the software mentioned or even an indication that the results > of his work are available in the public domain. What I put in the FAQ is still the last word I heard from Curtis, and my understanding is that he helped fund an important step forward in the area of integrating Joomla! and Mailman. I have not heard of any new information on this front. If you have more recent information in this area, or know of someone who does, please feel free to update the FAQ and let us know. If you've got better contact with Curtis than I do, and you can drag out of him more detail than I've been able to get so far, then please do go ahead and update the FAQ entry. > The implication of the FAQ > was a need to look elsewhere for a generic solution for providing a module > giving a full integration for Joomla and mailman. What the FAQ did do was to > reinforce what I knew.. that such integration was possible.. but took me no > further towards actually doing it. My understanding is that this is still a pretty raw area. Mailman itself does not provide any hooks to assist with this process, so there's a limit to how much we can help. If there are any tools out there to help integrate CMSes with Mailman, the unfortunate fact is that the authors of those tools have not coordinated well with the Mailman project, and they have not let us know about the work they've done. > Unfortunately, as in many other places, the FAQ, whilst providing many > apparently hopeful mentions, which can be very useful in some instances, it > seems that there have not been enough informed contributions. We've done the best we can based on what anecdotal information we can gather, but that's always going to be a hit-or-miss proposition. If the authors of the tools don't coordinate with us, there's not much we can do about that. > This means the > work does not, in many places, have sufficient specific follow ups. Perhaps > this is an indication that those of us who are new to mailman might perhaps > pay more attention to turning the results of our learning experience into > well written contributions that improve the quality of the FAQ over time. That would certainly be a good step forward, yes. However, it is a community-supported document, and if the community does not choose to put the effort into doing the work necessary to keep it up-to-date and filled with as much useful information as possible, then we will all suffer. I've certainly done as much as I can to contribute to the FAQ Wizard, both in terms of generating content itself as well as providing editorial assistance to try to make things as easy to understand as I can. But I'm only one person. We need more people to do the same kind of thing, or the FAQ will die -- probably a slow death, but perhaps much faster than would otherwise be expected. > Do not get me wrong-- I have found the FAQ can be really useful at times, but > the Mailman FAQ is a bit of a curates egg. Sometimes it seems like an FAQ but > it often seems more like a personal blog rather than a well focused piece of > work, written to a consistent, disciplined standard, giving comprehensive > step by step instructions in response to very specific and well crafted > questions. Yeah, well -- you get what you pay for. Pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, and maybe you can get a good professional author to spend their entire life to make the FAQ a world-class document, the equal to which cannot be found anywhere else in the world. Otherwise, this is the kind of thing you can expect to get. -- Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> >, Consultant & Author LinkedIn Profile: < <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu> http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu> Slides from Invited Talks: <http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List operates OK, but not listed in admin or info?
by Joshua J. Kugler May 29, 2007

May 29, 2007

On Friday 25 May 2007 15:29, you wrote: > On May 25, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: > > Any ideas? > > The most obvious possibility is if to ask if admin-->privacy options-- > > >"Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this > > machine? " is set to yes. Sigh...that was it. I guess what threw me off was the fact that it wasn't showing in admin either. I didn't think that setting affected admin. Thanks! j -- Joshua Kugler Lead System Admin -- Senior Programmer http://www.eeinternet.com PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ID 0xDB26D7CE PO Box 80086 -- Fairbanks, AK 99708 -- Ph: 907-456-5581 Fax: 907-456-3111

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Linked subjects in digest (and more)
by Zev Stub May 29, 2007

May 29, 2007

Hi. A few questions: 1. Is there any way to set Mailman so that the Digest provides active links from the Digest toc to the respective messages contained within that digest? That would be a big help for my users as I try to wean them off of Yahoo Groups. 2. For moderating pending requests, in the details=all page, I'd like to hide the message headers field so that it is a bit easier on my moderators. Where can i do that? 3. Any way for moderators to be able to edit messages, both the subject and message bodies? Thanks. Zev

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not Connected
by Leonard Jacobs May 28, 2007

May 28, 2007

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Low level smtp error: Server not connected (Stephen J. Turnbull) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected > From: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> > Date: > Sun, 27 May 2007 20:30:19 +0900 > To: > ljacobs(a)shambhala.com > > To: > ljacobs(a)shambhala.com > CC: > mailman-users(a)python.org > > Precedence: > list > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > References: > <7c5b3fd245874985b5fa1fa9049a7b2c(a)shambhala.com> > In-Reply-To: > <7c5b3fd245874985b5fa1fa9049a7b2c(a)shambhala.com> > Message-ID: > <871wh24i7o.fsf(a)uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Message: > 1 > > > Leonard Jacobs writes: > > > "delivery to someone(a)gmail.com failed with code -1: (104, > > 'Connection reset by peer')" I am also seeing many " Low level smtp > > error: Server not connected, msgid" errors. > > This seems likely to be either a Postfix problem, or maybe you've > caught a social disease (ie, a bunch of big ISPs have decided you're a > spammer). Either way, the first place to investigate is the Postfix > logs. > > Wish it were so simple. There are no obvious errors in the postfix maillog files. In fact postfix is receiving and sending messages fine, just no mailman messages are getting delivered except for the response to the list creator that the list was created and notifications to the list posters that there is a message waiting to be reviewed. Once the moderated poster's message is released from the queue, it triggers the "server not connected" errors and never actually delivers any messages. Strange behavior and I would appreciate any other insights and suggestions. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude EVA]

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List operates OK, but not listed in admin or info?
by Joshua J. Kugler May 25, 2007

May 25, 2007

I've recently moved some lists from an old (MM 2.0) box to a new MM 2.1.5 box (Ubuntu Dapper). All the lists are operating normally. I used a script to copy and migrate, changing list owner and URL settings identically. All lists operate correctly, and I can go to the info and admin pages for all of them. However, one list does not show up in the list for my.list.host/listinfo or my.list.host/admin. The URL is set (via fix_url) to my.list.host in all the lists, so I'm not sure what's going on. And trying to create a list with that name, obviously fails. If it matters. One list is named awra-policy and the list not showing is named awra-policy2007. Does MM have a thing against similar names? :) Any ideas? Thanks! j -- Joshua Kugler Lead System Admin -- Senior Programmer http://www.eeinternet.com PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ID 0xDB26D7CE PO Box 80086 -- Fairbanks, AK 99708 -- Ph: 907-456-5581 Fax: 907-456-3111

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "No subject" messages in archives
by Ivan Van Laningham May 25, 2007

May 25, 2007

Hi All-- I wrote: > Ah, thanks, Barry. I will try one of these methods, probably the > withlist one, and report back later today. If all goes well, I'll be > able to update two FAQ entries, the one about removing archive entries > and the one about importing messages/archives into your mailing list. I locked the list with withlist. I then edited the .mbox file with vim and deleted 2662737 lines, all the messages that had malformed 'From ' lines (no dates at the end of the lines). On my somewhat slow machine (2.2GHZ Celeron), with only a gig of memory, this took about 10 minutes. I was willing to wait. ;-) After saving modified .mbox, I exited withlist without saving. I then catted the corrected old archive .mbox file to the end of the modified .mbox. Then I ran arch. That, too, took a while, maybe half-an-hour for about 49,000 messages. Again, I was willing to wait. ;-) Once it finished, I went to the latest, May 2007, archive index page. Here is the top of that page: >>> May 2007 Archives by date * Messages sorted by: [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] * More info on this list... Starting: Tue May 1 04:17:11 MDT 2007 Ending: Fri May 25 09:53:46 MDT 2007 Messages: 928 <<< "Messages: 928" is a WHOLE LOT better than "Messages: 5928". ;-) I couldn't be more pleased. I'm chuffed! Thanks to everyone. I'll be updating the FAQ entries concerned later today, I hope. Or would it be better to post the corrected entries here first in order to get input on them upfront? I looked at the remainder of the archives, and I found only two oddities, both on the same page. Here is the relevant section of the index page: # Peter Abresch Ellen Stanton # No subject Judith Miller # Marilyn Kapp # Happy: Up, down, up, down... Jmacampora at aol.com # Guppy Digest Jmacampora at aol.com # Jmacampora at aol.com # Guppies/Janet A. Lanier Dodson The "Marilyn Kapp" and the third "Jmacampora at aol.com" entries have no subjects and no links to them. The previous entries are missing the "Next message" links, and the following entries are missing the "Previous message" links. I'm actually willing to live with these, unless they're damaging the archives somehow. Any guesses as to how difficult it would be to fix these by say, simply editing the .mbox and re-running arch --wipe? Metta, Ivan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laning… Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours

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