Mailman 3 July 2010 - Mailman-Users

Umbrella List
by Jeff Grossman July 11, 2010

July 11, 2010

I have two umbrella lists. When a bounce gets received it doesn't do anything because the users are not subscribed to the umbrella list. Is there a way for me to set the umbrella lists up so all bounce messages are forwarded to my e-mail so I can make sure the bad e-mail addresses get removed? I am running Mailman version 2.1.12. Thanks, Jeff

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Storing list admin password in LDAP, or unencrypted?
by Ivan Fetch July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

Hello, We would like to integrate Mailman with a spam quarantine system. List admin(s) will need to login to manage quarantined messages, and we would like this login to use the list admin password. I'd like some feedback on the best way to accomplish this, with Mailman. I can think of two ways to accomplish this - 1. Mailman consults LDAP for the list admin password, and is able to also set that password (for the web UI and the change_pw script). Mailing lists are already defined in LDAP for our MTAs. 2. The Mailman list admin passwords are stored in an unencrypted form, which we regularly sync to LDAP, for the quarantine system to use. IT seems like option 2 would be simpler in terms of code, although less ideal (because the password wouldn't be encrypted). Which method (or is there a third way?) is going to make the most sense for seamless integration with Mailman? Thanks, Ivan.

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Not sending emails
by Webmaster July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

I used this method to install mailmain on my centos 5 server, apache, php and postifx. http://www.kholix.com/wiki/index.php/Howto_install_mailman_on_postfix_mta_s… When I created the list the administrator received the e-mail the list was created. Then subscribed to the new list with a different e-mail and again received the confirmation e-mail. Then I sent an e-mail to test(a)lists.example.com [mailto:test@lists.example.com] as the administrator and nothing happens. No bounce back, no e-mail sent, nothing archived it's like it just go out to no man’s land. I have to admit I suck and Linux so please try to keep it simple. Jesse Gifford Webmaster www.PacificCoastCruzer.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files
by lists＠viplist.us July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

I changed, restarted, but cannot send html email. It shows up all as html coding. What my clients want to do is to be able to send a html email, for the welcome email, the confirmation email, the help email, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: lists(a)viplist.us To: "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net>, mailman-users(a)python.org Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:12:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > I did restart Mailman, but I neglected to make sure all qrunners were > stopped. > > I just want to be alble to send graphics inline, so it looks like this will > work. I will try and change in low peak usage. > > Thanks. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > To: lists(a)viplist.us, mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:05:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > > > lists(a)viplist.us wrote: > > > > >It looks like each file that calls a txt file would have to be changed, > or > > >is there somewhere that I can globally change the > > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > >to iso-8859-1? I know I would then have to change all text files that > are > > >emailed (after figuring out which ones are emailed and which ones are > > >simply includes.) > > > > > > Why would you need to change any templates? the 'en' ones are all > > us-ascii which is a proper subset of iso-8859-1. > > > > > > >I tried changing the selection in Defaults.py for English to > iso-8859-1, > > >but that did not do it. > > > > > > It seems you've changed the question from "how do I put HTML into .txt > > templates" to "how do I change the character set of Mailman generated > > list mail". > > > > From this, I gather that the real issue you are trying to address is > > inclusion of non-ascii characters in templates. > > > > If that is the case, changing the character set for 'en' from us-ascii > > to iso-8859-1 or utf-8 should work provided the non-ascii characters > > in the templates are encoded in the same (iso-8859-1 or utf-8) > > encoding. > > > > It is best not to change this in Defaults.py, but rather override it in > > mm_cfg.py (see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>) with a line > > > > add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1', 'ltr') > > > > (and the omission of the i18n _() around 'English (USA)' is > > intentional). > > > > As to why this didn't seem to work when you changed Defaults.py, did > > you restart Mailman after the change? > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown invirtualmailbox table
by franc walter July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

Am Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:19:33 -0700 schriebst du: > I'm not sure what you are saying. I just noticed that the path is different. It is the packager, like you said. > I.e in the case of the Debian/Ubuntu package, > --prefix=/usr/lib/mailman > --with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman OK, i guess i just have to be careful to doublecheck the right paths. Next difference to Ubuntu is the username, i read in: http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html "Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db file is mailman, that the group owner for those files is mailman, or whatever user and group you used in the configure command, and that both files are group writable: % su % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* % chmod g+w data/aliases* " Ubuntu uses "list" and not "mailman". I hope this is not a problem. I thought if the packager (Ubuntu in my case) make such a package available, i just have to install it and all is well, but it is not like this. I have spent many hours till yet to make this work and still it is not running. Now i struggle with the virtual domains: http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files
by lists＠viplist.us July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

I did restart Mailman, but I neglected to make sure all qrunners were stopped. I just want to be alble to send graphics inline, so it looks like this will work. I will try and change in low peak usage. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: lists(a)viplist.us, mailman-users(a)python.org Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:05:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > lists(a)viplist.us wrote: > > >It looks like each file that calls a txt file would have to be changed, or > >is there somewhere that I can globally change the > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >to iso-8859-1? I know I would then have to change all text files that are > >emailed (after figuring out which ones are emailed and which ones are > >simply includes.) > > > Why would you need to change any templates? the 'en' ones are all > us-ascii which is a proper subset of iso-8859-1. > > > >I tried changing the selection in Defaults.py for English to iso-8859-1, > >but that did not do it. > > > It seems you've changed the question from "how do I put HTML into .txt > templates" to "how do I change the character set of Mailman generated > list mail". > > From this, I gather that the real issue you are trying to address is > inclusion of non-ascii characters in templates. > > If that is the case, changing the character set for 'en' from us-ascii > to iso-8859-1 or utf-8 should work provided the non-ascii characters > in the templates are encoded in the same (iso-8859-1 or utf-8) > encoding. > > It is best not to change this in Defaults.py, but rather override it in > mm_cfg.py (see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>) with a line > > add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1', 'ltr') > > (and the omission of the i18n _() around 'English (USA)' is > intentional). > > As to why this didn't seem to work when you changed Defaults.py, did > you restart Mailman after the change? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 25,000 unsubscribes in one hour
by lists＠viplist.us July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

Easiest wasy to check, is to send a message to one of the addresses from the same domain, i.e. Yahoo email to Yahoo email. If real bounce, Yahoo will give you that message immediately. Same with Hotmail, AOL, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: dan(a)danshow.com, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:20:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 25,000 unsubscribes in one hour > Dan Sherbondy wrote: > > >Over a month ago I used mailman for a 100,000 mailing. > > > >Yesterday, in a 4 hour span, I received 25,000 unsubscribe notifications > >such as "lupetherealtor(a)yahoo.com has been removed from TopCARealtors" > > > >I normally received 100 unsubscribes per mailing so I think something is > >wrong and dont want to remove these people from my list unless they > >really unsubscribed. > > > >Is the unsubscribe notice used for bad addresses as well as > >unsubscribes? > > > Yes. When a member is unsubscribed by automated bounce processind, the > same message is sent to the list owner if > bounce_notify_owner_on_removal is Yes. > > Also, if bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes, there will be a notice > to the list owner containing the triggering bounce at the time the > member's delivery is disabled which may or may bot be the same as the > time the member is removed depending on the setting of > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings. > > So these may have been legitimate bounce unsubscribes or they may have > been bounce unsubscribes due to some abnormal mail delivery failure or > they may be something else. > > It's hard to say anything more without seeing the list's Bounce > processing settings, Mailman's bounce log and perhaps MTA logs. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
by franc walter July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

Am Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:02:13 +0300 (IDT) schriebst du: > Do you have "mta=postfix"? Yes. > If you're unable to Email outside yoru domain then this seems to be a > Postfix issue, not a Mailman. As the docs say, you should probably make > sure your virtual domains are working properly before trying to bolt > Mailman into place. This is solved. It was either relay_domains where i put lists.example.org or mynetworks, which was empty and i put my IP/32 and 127.0.0.1/8 Now all members get mails from the list. But now i have the problem, that i want to create another list with another virtual domain (example2.org), which is running on the same server. I guess this is only possible with this setting to get this virtual-mailman.db, but i don't know how to continue..

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Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table
by franc walter July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

Hello, having a virtual server with ubuntu 8.04 i installed with aptitude mailman (2.1.9-9u) with postfix, following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mailman As admin, i can sign in new mailinglist-users, but if i mail to: Mailman-request(a)example.org (where example.org is my domain) i get a bounce-mail: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table Same thing if i mail to mailman(a)example.org. Sure, i didn't create in my domain in postfix a user "mailman-request" or "mailman", because i thought this is what my installation and configuration in postfix checks out. What is wrong? Does anybody could give me a hint? Thank you, : franc

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25,000 unsubscribes in one hour
by Dan Sherbondy July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

Over a month ago I used mailman for a 100,000 mailing. Yesterday, in a 4 hour span, I received 25,000 unsubscribe notifications such as "lupetherealtor(a)yahoo.com has been removed from TopCARealtors" I normally received 100 unsubscribes per mailing so I think something is wrong and dont want to remove these people from my list unless they really unsubscribed. Is the unsubscribe notice used for bad addresses as well as unsubscribes? Any other thoughts? Thanks, Dan

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