Mailman 3 April 2013 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] white listing
by Mark Sapiro 16 May '13

16 May '13

On 2/21/2013 2:35 AM, Máire Jones wrote: > > Yes, these are two different questions. In the first I was wondering if > it is possible to allow any address from @domain post to each and every > mailman list on our mailman server. \\ Assuming you don't want to just add a regexp to accept_these_nonmembers to all lists which is easy to do, at least for existing lists, with the script at <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/non_members>, you would need to do this with a custom handler which would set approved=True in the message's metadata if the sender was from the white listed domain. The problem with this approach is that the custom handler would have to be in the pipeline prior to Moderate to avoid list membership tests, and this would also then bypass all the miscellaneous holds such as too many recipients, implicit destination, too big, administrivia, etc. See the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9> for info on custom handlers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Mass Mail
by Javad Hoseini-Nopendar 08 May '13

08 May '13

Hi there I have a few questions about sending very large masses of email messages. I should remind that I don't want to do that for spamming purpose, but only because a friend is asking me about that over and over:Assume a mailing list with 200,000 members. For simplification purpose, Suppose all the members are from Gmail accounts. Now I send an email to this mailing list and the size of email is 1KB. I have 3 questions now: 1- This email will consume 1Kb of my website's monthly bandwidth or 200,000KB (200GB)? I mean my website's server sends the emails one by one or for example delivers all of them to google and google takes over the rest of work? 2- If that email consumes 200GB of my monthly bandwidth, while my monthly bandwidth limit is only 8GB, sending that one email will explode and break down my whole website or it will just give me an error that this number is higher than allowed bandwidth? 3- Assume all the members have been subscribed by the list owner, not by their own, but at the footer of all the emails it is explained to them how they can unsubscribe from the list. If I send an email to 200,000 Gmail recepients at a time, Gmail won't send my website or my IP to the black list of Spammers? Best Regards

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Mailman is changing list names to upper case first letter; how can that be changed? Are list names not case-sensitive?
by Tom Browder 30 Apr '13

30 Apr '13

To answer part of my question, I guess list names are not case sensitive since they are used in an e-mail address. However, I do not like Mailman assuming I want an upper case first character in my templates and such about the list. Specifically, I used a script to create a list named 'cs-24' (and similarly named ones) and I would like it to show on all pages as 'cs-24', not 'Cs-24'. I assume there is some way to change that behavior in a python file, but where? Thanks. Best regards, -Tom

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Fw: Mass Mail
by Javad Hoseini-Nopendar 30 Apr '13

30 Apr '13

Thank you dear Mark, Steven, Adam and Richard for your helpful answers. Now I have another question. Many of the hosting servers in my country Iran, disable the mailing list service for all their users (unless the users of Private Servers). If you talk to them and swear an oath not to send spam, or if you become contented with paying extra charge, again they don't accept to activate the mailing list service for shared hosts, because if I start sending spam, their IP will go into the black list of Gmail and Yahoo and all the websites on that hosting service will be blocked by Yahoo and Gmail anti-spam filters. What do the hosting companies of other countries do in order to prevent spamming by the users of their mailing lists? Do they deactivate the mailing lists too, or have ways to supervise the websites and prevent them from spamming? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> To: "Richard Damon" <Richard(a)Damon-Family.org> Cc: <mailman-users(a)python.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass Mail Richard Damon writes: > There is a fourth case, Host Provider sends the emails then sends you a > bill for the overage at the rate specified in the contract. This could > be very expensive for going that much over limit. All I can say is, "ouch!" :-( ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/javad%40irannopendar.c…

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering EMail Addresses from Majordomo'ssubscribers.D File
by DSH 29 Apr '13

29 Apr '13

--- mark(a)msapiro.net wrote: From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: kenwood0622(a)dogomania.com CC: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering EMail Addresses from Majordomo's subscribers.D File Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:50:09 -0700 > On 4/24/2013 10:24 AM, DSH wrote: >> >> Is there some means to import the email addresses directly from >> majordomo?s subscribers.D file or alternatively, a way of parsing >> the _subscribers.D file to a file that bin/add_members can use? >> Exporting from majordomo is not an option at this point. > > > There are two majordomo to mailman conversion scripts in the contrib > directory at > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head:/contrib/>. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ Thank you. I would have bet money the next post was going to say tough luck and have fun entering all the names manually so your post was a very pleasant surprise. Unfortunately I could not get either script to work for me so perhaps that will come in the next post. When looking at the first script, (import_majordomo_into_mailman.pl) the fist thing I noticed was the assumption that “Majordomo has all of its list configurations in a single, local directory.” My directory structure is as shown below. /usr/local/majordomo/lists/host.domain.tld/listname with the configuration files inside the listname directory and there is a listname directory for each list. The files in each listname directory are as follows _config _dup_id.D _dup_partial.D _dup_sum.D _posts.D _subscribers.D After trying several things I decided the best option was to work with just one of the lists and moved the configuration files of one list back two directories so that they were all under /usr/local/majordomo/lists. It seemed that was what the script really wanted. Using that configuration and running the script with the --list=listname option resulted in the message that it could not find the file listname.config. I then renamed the _config file to listname.config and ran the script still again. This time it ran to completion with no error messages but with the following output. Import complete! 0 lists imported. A check of the log revealed the following on the last run. Apr 25 14:42:22 [DEBUG] Calling /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists -b... Apr 25 14:42:23 [INFO] Starting list listname... Apr 25 14:42:23 [INFO] Getting Majordomo config for list listname... Apr 25 14:42:23 [WARNING] No admin_passwd or listname.passwd file. Skipping... Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] No config returned by getDomoConfig(). Skipping... Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] Deleting /tmp/*.mm.* files... Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] Calling /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f >> /tmp/import_majordomo_into_mailman.log 2>&1... No problems found Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] Calling /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f >> /tmp/import_majordomo_into_mailman.log 2>&1 again for good measure... No problems found I have no idea why my directory structure and file names are so different since I am using the version of majordomo (1.94.5) referenced in the script. I guess I could have changed a default value while doing the original majordomo install but I do not recall doing so. Any ideas? The second script (majordomo2mailman.pl) was worse. It apparently ran but never threw an error message or had any output that I could see. The only way I could get anything out if it was intentionally giving it a wrong path to the aliases file. It would complain about that. _____________________________________________________________ http://mail.dogomania.com - Free email for dog enthusiasts.

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How to mange bounce
by Muhammad Ali 28 Apr '13

28 Apr '13

Hello, I am just a newbie and hope that you can help me with the following problem. I created mailman mailing list from within Cpanel for my hosted server. an email address gets bounced and I do not know how to remove this bounce. I searched the web but could find any instructions about how to unbounce ! Thanks in advance

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Exporting users list and inviting new users
by Javad Hoseini-Nopendar 28 Apr '13

28 Apr '13

Hi everybody I already asked this question too, but did not receive any reply. Is there any way I can export the list of members of my mailing list into a text file or Excel file or a kind of editable file? I have another question too. Is there a way I can invite new members to the mailing list, just by sending an email to a particular address? For example my mailing list address is IranRAVI(a)IranRAVI.com and I want to invite User1(a)yahoo.com to this group. I send an email to IranRavi-Invite(a)IranRAVI.com and include user1(a)yahoo.com in subject line and this user is invited to the mailing list. Such thing is possible? Best Regards

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Problems updating virtual-mailman
by Walter Justet 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Hi, I'm have a problem with the file generation. I generated a bunch of mailman lists in the past and they are all working fine so I guess all the postfix configuration is ok. But now when I add a new list, the aliases and aliases.db files get updated, but the virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db files are generated with very old information that make the new lists and even some older that have been working start failing with the unknown user (fortunately I have a backup!) I have in my mm_cfg.py MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['my.domain.com'] and postfix with: virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-alias-maps.cf, hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman The problem is just with the virtual-mailman file generation, i don't know why or how it get that old list information when generates the file. -- Saludos Walter

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Recovering EMail Addresses from Majordomo's subscribers.D File
by DSH 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Recently I completely upgraded my Linux server starting with a freshly formatted root partition after backing up all the system directories to another partition. I then installed the latest versions of my application software drawing on the old configuration files I had tucked away where appropriate. All went fine until majordomo. There were so many problems with that not working with the newer version of Perl etc. that I gave up and installed Mailman. That went smoothly but I am now at a point where I would like to import the email addresses from two majordomo lists and I have hit another roadblock. Mailman wants one email address per line to import and majordomo’s _subscribers.D file for each list is not formatted that way. Is there some means to import the email addresses directly from majordomo’s subscribers.D file or alternatively, a way of parsing the _subscribers.D file to a file that bin/add_members can use? Exporting from majordomo is not an option at this point. I do not care if the subscriber’s real name doesn’t come with the email address and I do not care about importing past postings. All I really need are the subscriber’s email addresses. _____________________________________________________________ http://mail.dogomania.com - Free email for dog enthusiasts.

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Site list is missing: mailman
by cesco 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Hi on a RHEL6.4 with mailman-2.1.12-18 on amd64, I'm trying to run mailman with all his /var/lib/mailman stuff (archives, data, lists, spam)stored on a lustre 2.1.5 filesystem. when I try to start mailman (either '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start' or '/etc/init.d/mailman start') it says: Site list is missing: mailman and in /var/log/mailman/error Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 (30798) IOError reading list extension: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py' Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 mailmanctl(30798): Site list is missing: mailman Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 (30798) Site list is missing: mailman VAR_PREFIX is set to '/irafs0/mailman' in both Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/925502 ls -ls /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3763 Apr 23 12:00 /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck I'm suspecting that can be some lock problem. I tried to mount the lustre volume with nolock, localflock and flock, but nothing changes. any hints? thank francesco

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