Mailman-Users April 2013

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Fw: Mass Mail
by Javad Hoseini-Nopendar 30 Apr '13

30 Apr '13

Thank you dear Mark, Steven, Adam and Richard for your helpful answers. Now I have another question. Many of the hosting servers in my country Iran, disable the mailing list service for all their users (unless the users of Private Servers). If you talk to them and swear an oath not to send spam, or if you become contented with paying extra charge, again they don't accept to activate the mailing list service for shared hosts, because if I start sending spam, their IP will go into the black list of Gmail and Yahoo and all the websites on that hosting service will be blocked by Yahoo and Gmail anti-spam filters. What do the hosting companies of other countries do in order to prevent spamming by the users of their mailing lists? Do they deactivate the mailing lists too, or have ways to supervise the websites and prevent them from spamming? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> To: "Richard Damon" <Richard(a)Damon-Family.org> Cc: <mailman-users(a)python.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass Mail Richard Damon writes: > There is a fourth case, Host Provider sends the emails then sends you a > bill for the overage at the rate specified in the contract. This could > be very expensive for going that much over limit. All I can say is, "ouch!" :-( ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/javad%40irannopendar.c…

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering EMail Addresses from Majordomo'ssubscribers.D File
by DSH 29 Apr '13

29 Apr '13

--- mark(a)msapiro.net wrote: From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: kenwood0622(a)dogomania.com CC: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Recovering EMail Addresses from Majordomo's subscribers.D File Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:50:09 -0700 > On 4/24/2013 10:24 AM, DSH wrote: >> >> Is there some means to import the email addresses directly from >> majordomo?s subscribers.D file or alternatively, a way of parsing >> the _subscribers.D file to a file that bin/add_members can use? >> Exporting from majordomo is not an option at this point. > > > There are two majordomo to mailman conversion scripts in the contrib > directory at > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/files/head:/contrib/>. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ Thank you. I would have bet money the next post was going to say tough luck and have fun entering all the names manually so your post was a very pleasant surprise. Unfortunately I could not get either script to work for me so perhaps that will come in the next post. When looking at the first script, (import_majordomo_into_mailman.pl) the fist thing I noticed was the assumption that “Majordomo has all of its list configurations in a single, local directory.” My directory structure is as shown below. /usr/local/majordomo/lists/host.domain.tld/listname with the configuration files inside the listname directory and there is a listname directory for each list. The files in each listname directory are as follows _config _dup_id.D _dup_partial.D _dup_sum.D _posts.D _subscribers.D After trying several things I decided the best option was to work with just one of the lists and moved the configuration files of one list back two directories so that they were all under /usr/local/majordomo/lists. It seemed that was what the script really wanted. Using that configuration and running the script with the --list=listname option resulted in the message that it could not find the file listname.config. I then renamed the _config file to listname.config and ran the script still again. This time it ran to completion with no error messages but with the following output. Import complete! 0 lists imported. A check of the log revealed the following on the last run. Apr 25 14:42:22 [DEBUG] Calling /usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists -b... Apr 25 14:42:23 [INFO] Starting list listname... Apr 25 14:42:23 [INFO] Getting Majordomo config for list listname... Apr 25 14:42:23 [WARNING] No admin_passwd or listname.passwd file. Skipping... Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] No config returned by getDomoConfig(). Skipping... Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] Deleting /tmp/*.mm.* files... Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] Calling /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f >> /tmp/import_majordomo_into_mailman.log 2>&1... No problems found Apr 25 14:42:23 [DEBUG] Calling /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f >> /tmp/import_majordomo_into_mailman.log 2>&1 again for good measure... No problems found I have no idea why my directory structure and file names are so different since I am using the version of majordomo (1.94.5) referenced in the script. I guess I could have changed a default value while doing the original majordomo install but I do not recall doing so. Any ideas? The second script (majordomo2mailman.pl) was worse. It apparently ran but never threw an error message or had any output that I could see. The only way I could get anything out if it was intentionally giving it a wrong path to the aliases file. It would complain about that. _____________________________________________________________ http://mail.dogomania.com - Free email for dog enthusiasts.

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How to mange bounce
by Muhammad Ali 28 Apr '13

28 Apr '13

Hello, I am just a newbie and hope that you can help me with the following problem. I created mailman mailing list from within Cpanel for my hosted server. an email address gets bounced and I do not know how to remove this bounce. I searched the web but could find any instructions about how to unbounce ! Thanks in advance

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Exporting users list and inviting new users
by Javad Hoseini-Nopendar 28 Apr '13

28 Apr '13

Hi everybody I already asked this question too, but did not receive any reply. Is there any way I can export the list of members of my mailing list into a text file or Excel file or a kind of editable file? I have another question too. Is there a way I can invite new members to the mailing list, just by sending an email to a particular address? For example my mailing list address is IranRAVI(a)IranRAVI.com and I want to invite User1(a)yahoo.com to this group. I send an email to IranRavi-Invite(a)IranRAVI.com and include user1(a)yahoo.com in subject line and this user is invited to the mailing list. Such thing is possible? Best Regards

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Problems updating virtual-mailman
by Walter Justet 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Hi, I'm have a problem with the file generation. I generated a bunch of mailman lists in the past and they are all working fine so I guess all the postfix configuration is ok. But now when I add a new list, the aliases and aliases.db files get updated, but the virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db files are generated with very old information that make the new lists and even some older that have been working start failing with the unknown user (fortunately I have a backup!) I have in my mm_cfg.py MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['my.domain.com'] and postfix with: virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-alias-maps.cf, hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman The problem is just with the virtual-mailman file generation, i don't know why or how it get that old list information when generates the file. -- Saludos Walter

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Recovering EMail Addresses from Majordomo's subscribers.D File
by DSH 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Recently I completely upgraded my Linux server starting with a freshly formatted root partition after backing up all the system directories to another partition. I then installed the latest versions of my application software drawing on the old configuration files I had tucked away where appropriate. All went fine until majordomo. There were so many problems with that not working with the newer version of Perl etc. that I gave up and installed Mailman. That went smoothly but I am now at a point where I would like to import the email addresses from two majordomo lists and I have hit another roadblock. Mailman wants one email address per line to import and majordomo’s _subscribers.D file for each list is not formatted that way. Is there some means to import the email addresses directly from majordomo’s subscribers.D file or alternatively, a way of parsing the _subscribers.D file to a file that bin/add_members can use? Exporting from majordomo is not an option at this point. I do not care if the subscriber’s real name doesn’t come with the email address and I do not care about importing past postings. All I really need are the subscriber’s email addresses. _____________________________________________________________ http://mail.dogomania.com - Free email for dog enthusiasts.

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Site list is missing: mailman
by cesco 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Hi on a RHEL6.4 with mailman-2.1.12-18 on amd64, I'm trying to run mailman with all his /var/lib/mailman stuff (archives, data, lists, spam)stored on a lustre 2.1.5 filesystem. when I try to start mailman (either '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start' or '/etc/init.d/mailman start') it says: Site list is missing: mailman and in /var/log/mailman/error Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 (30798) IOError reading list extension: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py' Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 mailmanctl(30798): Site list is missing: mailman Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 (30798) Site list is missing: mailman VAR_PREFIX is set to '/irafs0/mailman' in both Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/925502 ls -ls /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3763 Apr 23 12:00 /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck I'm suspecting that can be some lock problem. I tried to mount the lustre volume with nolock, localflock and flock, but nothing changes. any hints? thank francesco

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Admin approval messages not being sent
by Christopher Adams 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

Hello, Confirmation messages sent to users are being sent successfully. Messages intended as approval for subscriptions and sent to the list administrators are not being sent. They appear as 'held subscription' in the mail logs. The list has the *admin_immed_notify* set to 'yes'. The cron /cron/checkdbs runs every morning at 8 am. I have read of possible Handler exceptions in Mailman, but the error logs don't show anything. What else could I look for to diagnose this problem? Thank you. -- Christopher Adams adamsca(a)gmail.com

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sync_members and "no message" status
by Ralf Hildebrandt 24 Apr '13

24 Apr '13

I'm using sync_members to keep our "all students" mailinglist up to date. Now, if a student's mailbox is over quota, his/her membership gets suspended due to bounces. And even if the student empties the mailbox, the address won't be enabled, since sync_members never resets the bounce status? Since I know my student's addresses to be valid, I should probably disable "automatic bounce processing", right? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charite Universitätsmedizin Berlin ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de Campus Benjamin Franklin http://www.charite.de Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

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Sent mail from server to subscribers doesn't arrive
by Joost Doesburg 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

Dear Mailman users, I have installed Mailman on my CentOS 6 system with Postfix, and configured it for use with a virtual host. All seems to work OK. I can reach the web pages, can subscribe through mail, get the confirmation mails and can confirm, and get the sucbscription mail. However, when I try to send mail to the list, these messages don't arrive. I have setup several test accounts, and only the local account (on the server) seems to work, not the remote accounts which include a GMail account and an account for another domain not hosted on my server. The Postfix log (/var/log/maillog) says it sends out the messages but they never arrive, not even in any spam mailbox. I wonder if there's still something wrong with my setup which has SMTP servers reject my mails without bounce: Apr 21 12:17:27 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: connect from mail-wi0-f179.google.com[209.85.212.179] Apr 21 12:17:27 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: F251E2004BF: client= mail-wi0-f179.google.com[209.85.212.179] Apr 21 12:17:28 joost-vps postfix/cleanup[7342]: F251E2004BF: message-id=<CAD4hotnuSRasGJP2i7nCx5FiHRLF7RC7= RDb0++dDw4jd1X+zg(a)mail.gmail.com> Apr 21 12:17:28 joost-vps postfix/qmgr[3900]: F251E2004BF: from=< tsubasa.jm(a)gmail.com>, size=1752, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 21 12:17:28 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: disconnect from mail-wi0-f179.google.com[209.85.212.179] Apr 21 12:17:28 joost-vps postfix/local[7343]: F251E2004BF: to=<chat(a)joost-vps.localdomain>, orig_to=<chat(a)cardiacs.nl>, relay=local, delay=0.3, delays=0.06/0.03/0/0.22, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post chat) Apr 21 12:17:28 joost-vps postfix/qmgr[3900]: F251E2004BF: removed Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: connect from localhost[::1] Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: 9132C2004FA: client=localhost[::1] Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/cleanup[7342]: 9132C2004FA: message-id=<CAD4hotnuSRasGJP2i7nCx5FiHRLF7RC7= RDb0++dDw4jd1X+zg(a)mail.gmail.com> Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/qmgr[3900]: 9132C2004FA: from=< chat-bounces(a)cardiacs.nl>, size=2994, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: 978592004FD: client=localhost[::1] Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/cleanup[7342]: 978592004FD: message-id=<CAD4hotnuSRasGJP2i7nCx5FiHRLF7RC7= RDb0++dDw4jd1X+zg(a)mail.gmail.com> Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/qmgr[3900]: 978592004FD: from=< chat-bounces(a)cardiacs.nl>, size=2967, nrcpt=2 (queue active) Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtpd[7338]: disconnect from localhost[::1] Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/local[7343]: 978592004FD: to=<joost(a)joost-vps.localdomain>, relay=local, delay=0.04, delays=0.01/0/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox) Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtp[7345]: connect to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2a00:1450:400c:c03::1a]:25: Network is unreachable Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtp[7346]: connect to mail1.transip.nl[2a01:7c8:eb::eb1]:25: Network is unreachable Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/smtp[7345]: 9132C2004FA: to=< tsubasa.jm(a)gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.66.26]:25, delay=0.17, delays=0.02/0.06/0.04/0.05, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1366539449 k15si6403513wjq.192 - gsmtp) Apr 21 12:17:29 joost-vps postfix/qmgr[3900]: 9132C2004FA: removed Apr 21 12:17:45 joost-vps postfix/smtp[7346]: 978592004FD: to=< joost(a)sonogy.nl>, relay=mail1.transip.nl[95.170.72.4]:25, delay=16, delays=0.01/0.06/0.01/16, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 32EB7235A84D) Apr 21 12:17:45 joost-vps postfix/qmgr[3900]: 978592004FD: removed Also the post and smtp log seem fine: Apr 21 12:17:29 2013 (7332) post to chat from tsubasa.jm(a)gmail.com, size=2764, message-id=<CAD4hotnuSRasGJP2i7nCx5FiHRLF7RC7= RDb0++dDw4jd1X+zg(a)mail.gmail.com>, success Apr 21 12:42:18 2013 (1297) post to chat from tsubasa.jm(a)gmail.com, size=2755, message-id=< CAD4hotkcFwtUBdvD9vPvJakGrK8xO0zijjDXz2dUsb6_TrpQxQ(a)mail.gmail.com>, success But the messages just don't arrive. If it's any help, I can show a header of the mail which does arrive on the local machine: >From chat-bounces(a)cardiacs.nl Sun Apr 21 12:17:29 2013 Return-Path: <chat-bounces(a)cardiacs.nl> X-Original-To: joost(a)joost-vps.localdomain Delivered-To: joost(a)joost-vps.localdomain X-Original-To: chat(a)cardiacs.nl Delivered-To: chat(a)joost-vps.localdomain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=a68tmNwEGIl2gOI1MXyuncY14XCJ8m7zdRy1IVrmDfw=; b=Xanm4lU88mDr83tjH5rQBrcAKqgfiPrbtKMKuAICiORYp9PJ0lwRTxNDdylbMmi6eB zAyERIHYaH17N682OuIo7kpxUVtmMa95W0w0Ls6d12Xvfc6mFA6QX4oQT45Z8b7Utr1Z gTajnxv2IvoW5LaziCX7iC4Ib8cvRT4MzkdzMlxI40Ty7rC1fEfC+kY2JrnY37Cj018y Y9fM7QuwxObqMji7G4qner15IuH/tu4n1MEyK+tZLyY+O9bQJi6+0ALZPkEglrohRd4A FCdTiR5e3ATjXeMS1AJbzlmDUibNWmu1BZaQXIjg+T6LL+TFyq2bK6eGXdfg6BFzUBrc 3o2A== X-Received: by 10.194.142.236 with SMTP id rz12mr41927779wjb.12.1366539447803; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:17:27 +0200 From: Joost Doesburg <tsubasa.jm(a)gmail.com> To: chat(a)cardiacs.nl Subject: [Cardiacs Chat] Test 1 X-BeenThere: chat(a)cardiacs.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Cardiacs Chat <chat.cardiacs.nl> List-Unsubscribe: <http://cardiacs.nl/mailman/options/chat>, <mailto:chat-request@cardiacs.nl?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://cardiacs.nl/pipermail/chat/> List-Post: <mailto:chat@cardiacs.nl> List-Help: <mailto:chat-request@cardiacs.nl?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://cardiacs.nl/mailman/listinfo/chat>, <mailto:chat-request@cardiacs.nl?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4509372702274255321==" Sender: chat-bounces(a)cardiacs.nl Errors-To: chat-bounces(a)cardiacs.nl Status: RO And finally here's my personal edits to the config file: MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['cardiacs.nl'] DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'cardiacs.nl' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'cardiacs.nl' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) [root@joost-vps Mailman]# rpm -qa | grep mailman mailman-2.1.12-18.el6.x86_64 [root@joost-vps Mailman]# uname -a Linux joost-vps 2.6.32-358.2.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Mar 13 00:26:49 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [root@joost-vps Mailman]# cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 6.4 (Final) I hope anyone can help. Thanks in advance! Regards, Joost.

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