Mailman 3 July 2010 - Mailman-Users

Scrubbing attachments only if over size limit - Umbrella list
by Dave Nathanson July 18, 2010

July 18, 2010

I've spent almost 2 whole days reading the MailMan FAQ, Googleing and testing theories/methods with a set of test-lists. I am using MailMan 2.1.12 installed at DreamHost.com. I do not have root access. Although I can ssh into the server, I'm not good at writing shell scripts. Sorry if this looks long or wordy, I'm trying to give enough info to get some help. What I am trying to do is allow list members to post plain text, or html messages, and attachments up to a set size. Any attachments larger than that size, I'd like to be scrubbed and a link url inserted so the list members don't have to download some stupid cat video just to unclog their mail delivery, but those who love cat videos can just click the link and get it. I understand the attachment scrubbing feature. It is useful. But it will only scrub ALL messages not just those over a certain size. And it takes out the html that people are using so much more than they used to. Ideally, I would love to have the attachment scrubbing feature operate only on messages larger than a certain size. That would solve my entire problem. One of the lists I admin includes decidedly non-technical people who think nothing of forwarding 12 mb attachments. They don't understand why this is not allowed, and I'm getting tired of explaining it again. These same people are not interested (or capable) of uploading their large attachment to a server and emailing a link to the list. So I'm trying to help them, but without relaying huge attachments to the list. So after much reading, I got the idea of using an umbrella list set to scrub attachments to give users the option of sending their huge attachments and it will auto-generate a link. Lovely. But I'm not having success in implementation. Perhaps you can help me with this. I made 2 MailMan lists: * regular_list (restricted by size less than 2 mb). Has membership. * big_list (no size restriction), set to scrub attachments. No members, should send to/from the members of the regular list. Set to be an umbrella list. THEORY: The way I expect this to work is the list member will send his huge attachment to the regular_list, it bounces back, and tells him to try sending it to the big_list instead. This ought to scrub the attachment, leaving a URL instead, and lets the msg continue to the regular_list where it will now be well under the size restriction and pass through to all the members of regular_list. Am I on track? I just want 2 lists, with the exact same membership list, one to scrub attachments, and the other to reject oversize attachments. Both should only accept postings from list members. The problem is that the regular_list is not accepting messages addressed to the big_list. I searched the list archives and found some interesting info, but maybe I've read so much that I can't see or think straight anymore. I read the articles: 3.5. What is an Umbrella list - and why doesn't it do what I want? 3.69. How do I set up an umbrella list? But I have not been successful in getting the umbrella list concept to work. What is the trick? Is this possible? Is there a better way? What needs to be typed where? Thanks, Dave

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move list to another domain
by Khalil Abbas July 17, 2010

July 17, 2010

Hi, I have several lists on doimain1.com on the server.. I added a new account with a different domain name (Domain2) on the same server.. how can I move the lists to the new domain and delete the old one? is it simply by chaging the 'Host name this list prefers for email' option in General settings ?? Thanks.. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

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Untangling an unruly jungle of lists
by mailmanu-20100705＠billmail.scconsult.com July 13, 2010

July 13, 2010

I have been tasked with cleaning up a collection of 23 lists running on Mailman that have been administered and moderated by a customer's non-technical staff for some time (> 2 years) without much training or assistance. At the top of my task list is the elimination of duplicate messages, which appear to be happening through two mechanisms: 1. Manually sending one message to multiple lists which have overlapping memberships. 2. A misnamed "all-lists" announcement list whose membership included a dozen of the other lists (with overlapping memberships) plus a handful of individual users who also were subscribed to those lists. It has been many years and versions since I've worked with Mailman in any significant way, so I feel like I need a sanity check on my repair plans. I have started with what seems to me to be the obvious first step to address (2). I have removed all of the other lists as members of "all-lists" and added their addresses to regular_include_lists instead, and since all of the direct subscribers wee in one or more of the sub-lists, I've removed them as well. This has left me with 4 questions: 1. Am I correct in my understanding that regular_include_lists does a de-duplication of the aggregate of all included lists? 2. Are the direct subscribers to the parent list included in the de-duplication? In other words: could I have left the direct subscribers in place without causing duplicates? 3. Since regular_include_lists is part of the non-digest settings, what exactly does a member of one or more of the included lists who is set to digest mode get when the parent list is mailed? 4. Are there non-obvious aspects of the regular_include_lists feature that I should be aware of, i.e. anything that argues in favor of using a script to assemble and de-dupe a membership list for it instead? To handle the mailings to arbitrary sets of overlapping lists, I gather that regular_exclude_lists is the tool to use, but I am not sure exactly how to build the configuration. I have a set of 21 lists that have some users in common with 2-17 others members of that set. To evade the complexity of that setup, I'm starting with a set of 4 that the customer has cited as particularly problematic, and I think what I need to do to get cross-mailings to arbitrary combinations of them de-duped I need something like these regular_exclude_lists: list1: list2, list3, list4 list2: list3, list4 list3: list4 list4: (empty) So, if I really want to de-dupe arbitrary cross-mailings between all 21 lists that have common members, I'd have to put lists 2-21 in for list1, 3-21 for list2, etc., and if the customer wants a new list that might overlap, it would need to get all of the existing lists in its regular_exclude_lists. Ugh. The questions I have about this: 1. Is that config correct? 2. Is there any useful basis for ordering the 4 lists I am making siblings? Should I make the biggest one list1 and the shortest list4 or should I order them based on the degree of overlap or something else? 3. Does setting regular_exclude_lists have any effect on how lists are handled as members of another list's regular_include_lists? 4. Has anyone devised an easier and less fragile approach? Maybe for Mailman 3? What I'd like most is a simple setting to have Mailman look at each message for other lists in the same domain or handled by the same server and work out the de-dupe cascade itself as needed. More broadly and philosophically, I am curious about how others handle similar list jungles. My first instinct is to decree that there shall be a sane hierarchy of parent lists with regular_include_lists such that there shall be no need to cross-post, but that seems a bit unrealistic at this point. Any helpful clues?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
by Geoff Shang July 12, 2010

July 12, 2010

On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, franc walter wrote: > But now i have the problem, that i want to create another list with another > virtual domain (example2.org), which is running on the same server. > > I guess this is only possible with this setting to get this > virtual-mailman.db, but i don't know how to continue.. Can you post your mm_cfg.py file as it is now? Geoff.

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filtering based on message content
by Russell Clemings July 12, 2010

July 12, 2010

I've had a request from the boss to filter incoming messages to some of our lists based on the message content. Specifically, the request is to hold all messages containing the third of George Carlin's seven words (and presumably by extension also the sixth), which a couple of our subscribers seem to find suitable for use in any context. My first thought, not contradicted by a quick FAQ search, was that there's no way Mailman can do this on its own, at least without hacking core, because it's not scanning the whole message. My second thought was that Spam Assassin could be set to flag the offending messages; Mailman is already set to hold messages that have the spam flag set. But that seems like kind of a kludge. Actually, I take that back. My first thought was to just ban the offenders. But that's not going to fly. Any other ideas? rac

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Umbrella List
by Jeff Grossman July 11, 2010

July 11, 2010

I have two umbrella lists. When a bounce gets received it doesn't do anything because the users are not subscribed to the umbrella list. Is there a way for me to set the umbrella lists up so all bounce messages are forwarded to my e-mail so I can make sure the bad e-mail addresses get removed? I am running Mailman version 2.1.12. Thanks, Jeff

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Storing list admin password in LDAP, or unencrypted?
by Ivan Fetch July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

Hello, We would like to integrate Mailman with a spam quarantine system. List admin(s) will need to login to manage quarantined messages, and we would like this login to use the list admin password. I'd like some feedback on the best way to accomplish this, with Mailman. I can think of two ways to accomplish this - 1. Mailman consults LDAP for the list admin password, and is able to also set that password (for the web UI and the change_pw script). Mailing lists are already defined in LDAP for our MTAs. 2. The Mailman list admin passwords are stored in an unencrypted form, which we regularly sync to LDAP, for the quarantine system to use. IT seems like option 2 would be simpler in terms of code, although less ideal (because the password wouldn't be encrypted). Which method (or is there a third way?) is going to make the most sense for seamless integration with Mailman? Thanks, Ivan.

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Not sending emails
by Webmaster July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

I used this method to install mailmain on my centos 5 server, apache, php and postifx. http://www.kholix.com/wiki/index.php/Howto_install_mailman_on_postfix_mta_s… When I created the list the administrator received the e-mail the list was created. Then subscribed to the new list with a different e-mail and again received the confirmation e-mail. Then I sent an e-mail to test(a)lists.example.com [mailto:test@lists.example.com] as the administrator and nothing happens. No bounce back, no e-mail sent, nothing archived it's like it just go out to no man’s land. I have to admit I suck and Linux so please try to keep it simple. Jesse Gifford Webmaster www.PacificCoastCruzer.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files
by lists＠viplist.us July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

I changed, restarted, but cannot send html email. It shows up all as html coding. What my clients want to do is to be able to send a html email, for the welcome email, the confirmation email, the help email, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: lists(a)viplist.us To: "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net>, mailman-users(a)python.org Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:12:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > I did restart Mailman, but I neglected to make sure all qrunners were > stopped. > > I just want to be alble to send graphics inline, so it looks like this will > work. I will try and change in low peak usage. > > Thanks. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > To: lists(a)viplist.us, mailman-users(a)python.org > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:05:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > > > lists(a)viplist.us wrote: > > > > >It looks like each file that calls a txt file would have to be changed, > or > > >is there somewhere that I can globally change the > > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > >to iso-8859-1? I know I would then have to change all text files that > are > > >emailed (after figuring out which ones are emailed and which ones are > > >simply includes.) > > > > > > Why would you need to change any templates? the 'en' ones are all > > us-ascii which is a proper subset of iso-8859-1. > > > > > > >I tried changing the selection in Defaults.py for English to > iso-8859-1, > > >but that did not do it. > > > > > > It seems you've changed the question from "how do I put HTML into .txt > > templates" to "how do I change the character set of Mailman generated > > list mail". > > > > From this, I gather that the real issue you are trying to address is > > inclusion of non-ascii characters in templates. > > > > If that is the case, changing the character set for 'en' from us-ascii > > to iso-8859-1 or utf-8 should work provided the non-ascii characters > > in the templates are encoded in the same (iso-8859-1 or utf-8) > > encoding. > > > > It is best not to change this in Defaults.py, but rather override it in > > mm_cfg.py (see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>) with a line > > > > add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1', 'ltr') > > > > (and the omission of the i18n _() around 'English (USA)' is > > intentional). > > > > As to why this didn't seem to work when you changed Defaults.py, did > > you restart Mailman after the change? > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown invirtualmailbox table
by franc walter July 10, 2010

July 10, 2010

Am Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:19:33 -0700 schriebst du: > I'm not sure what you are saying. I just noticed that the path is different. It is the packager, like you said. > I.e in the case of the Debian/Ubuntu package, > --prefix=/usr/lib/mailman > --with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman OK, i guess i just have to be careful to doublecheck the right paths. Next difference to Ubuntu is the username, i read in: http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html "Make sure that the owner of the data/aliases and data/aliases.db file is mailman, that the group owner for those files is mailman, or whatever user and group you used in the configure command, and that both files are group writable: % su % chown mailman:mailman data/aliases* % chmod g+w data/aliases* " Ubuntu uses "list" and not "mailman". I hope this is not a problem. I thought if the packager (Ubuntu in my case) make such a package available, i just have to install it and all is well, but it is not like this. I have spent many hours till yet to make this work and still it is not running. Now i struggle with the virtual domains: http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files
by lists＠viplist.us July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

I did restart Mailman, but I neglected to make sure all qrunners were stopped. I just want to be alble to send graphics inline, so it looks like this will work. I will try and change in low peak usage. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: lists(a)viplist.us, mailman-users(a)python.org Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:05:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > lists(a)viplist.us wrote: > > >It looks like each file that calls a txt file would have to be changed, or > >is there somewhere that I can globally change the > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >to iso-8859-1? I know I would then have to change all text files that are > >emailed (after figuring out which ones are emailed and which ones are > >simply includes.) > > > Why would you need to change any templates? the 'en' ones are all > us-ascii which is a proper subset of iso-8859-1. > > > >I tried changing the selection in Defaults.py for English to iso-8859-1, > >but that did not do it. > > > It seems you've changed the question from "how do I put HTML into .txt > templates" to "how do I change the character set of Mailman generated > list mail". > > From this, I gather that the real issue you are trying to address is > inclusion of non-ascii characters in templates. > > If that is the case, changing the character set for 'en' from us-ascii > to iso-8859-1 or utf-8 should work provided the non-ascii characters > in the templates are encoded in the same (iso-8859-1 or utf-8) > encoding. > > It is best not to change this in Defaults.py, but rather override it in > mm_cfg.py (see the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>) with a line > > add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'iso-8859-1', 'ltr') > > (and the omission of the i18n _() around 'English (USA)' is > intentional). > > As to why this didn't seem to work when you changed Defaults.py, did > you restart Mailman after the change? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 25,000 unsubscribes in one hour
by lists＠viplist.us July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

Easiest wasy to check, is to send a message to one of the addresses from the same domain, i.e. Yahoo email to Yahoo email. If real bounce, Yahoo will give you that message immediately. Same with Hotmail, AOL, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: dan(a)danshow.com, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:20:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 25,000 unsubscribes in one hour > Dan Sherbondy wrote: > > >Over a month ago I used mailman for a 100,000 mailing. > > > >Yesterday, in a 4 hour span, I received 25,000 unsubscribe notifications > >such as "lupetherealtor(a)yahoo.com has been removed from TopCARealtors" > > > >I normally received 100 unsubscribes per mailing so I think something is > >wrong and dont want to remove these people from my list unless they > >really unsubscribed. > > > >Is the unsubscribe notice used for bad addresses as well as > >unsubscribes? > > > Yes. When a member is unsubscribed by automated bounce processind, the > same message is sent to the list owner if > bounce_notify_owner_on_removal is Yes. > > Also, if bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes, there will be a notice > to the list owner containing the triggering bounce at the time the > member's delivery is disabled which may or may bot be the same as the > time the member is removed depending on the setting of > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings. > > So these may have been legitimate bounce unsubscribes or they may have > been bounce unsubscribes due to some abnormal mail delivery failure or > they may be something else. > > It's hard to say anything more without seeing the list's Bounce > processing settings, Mailman's bounce log and perhaps MTA logs. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/lists%40viplist.us >

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtualmailbox table
by franc walter July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

Am Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:02:13 +0300 (IDT) schriebst du: > Do you have "mta=postfix"? Yes. > If you're unable to Email outside yoru domain then this seems to be a > Postfix issue, not a Mailman. As the docs say, you should probably make > sure your virtual domains are working properly before trying to bolt > Mailman into place. This is solved. It was either relay_domains where i put lists.example.org or mynetworks, which was empty and i put my IP/32 and 127.0.0.1/8 Now all members get mails from the list. But now i have the problem, that i want to create another list with another virtual domain (example2.org), which is running on the same server. I guess this is only possible with this setting to get this virtual-mailman.db, but i don't know how to continue..

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Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table
by franc walter July 9, 2010

July 9, 2010

Hello, having a virtual server with ubuntu 8.04 i installed with aptitude mailman (2.1.9-9u) with postfix, following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mailman As admin, i can sign in new mailinglist-users, but if i mail to: Mailman-request(a)example.org (where example.org is my domain) i get a bounce-mail: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table Same thing if i mail to mailman(a)example.org. Sure, i didn't create in my domain in postfix a user "mailman-request" or "mailman", because i thought this is what my installation and configuration in postfix checks out. What is wrong? Does anybody could give me a hint? Thank you, : franc

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25,000 unsubscribes in one hour
by Dan Sherbondy July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

Over a month ago I used mailman for a 100,000 mailing. Yesterday, in a 4 hour span, I received 25,000 unsubscribe notifications such as "lupetherealtor(a)yahoo.com has been removed from TopCARealtors" I normally received 100 unsubscribes per mailing so I think something is wrong and dont want to remove these people from my list unless they really unsubscribed. Is the unsubscribe notice used for bad addresses as well as unsubscribes? Any other thoughts? Thanks, Dan

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25,000 unsubscribes in 4 hrs
by Dan Sherbondy July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

Over a month ago I used mailman for a 100,000 mailing. Yesterday, in a 4 hour span, I received 25,000 unsubscribe notifications such as "lupetherealtor(a)yahoo.com has been removed from TopCARealtors" I normally received 100 unsubscribes per mailing so I think something is wrong and dont want to remove these people from my list unless they really unsubscribed. Is the unsubscribe notice used for bad addresses as well as unsubscribes? Any other thoughts? Thanks, Dan(a)danshow.com

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Custom mailman webpages
by Varoun P July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

Greetings, I'm customizing all user facing webpages on a new mailman site. I've copied over templates (listinfo.html, subscribe.html, options.html...) from $prefix/templates/en/ to $prefix/lists/<list-name>/en/ and have edited them to get the required effect. The one page thats giving me trouble is the "Confirm subscription request" page that users visit to confirm their subscription once they receive the verify email. Searching the archives leads me to believe that the way to customize this page is to edit $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py directly. Is there another way to customize this page, I would prefer not to edit this file directly if possible. thanks in advance, -- varoun

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Allow anyone to post to a mailing list
by Wang, Mary Y July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

Hi, I'd like to have it setup so that anyone can post to my mailing list (he/she does not need to be subscriber). How do I do that? Thanks Mary

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AUTO: Jon Ferraiolo is on vacation on Thursday July 8 (returning 07/09/2010)
by Jon Ferraiolo July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files
by lists＠viplist.us July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

It looks like each file that calls a txt file would have to be changed, or is there somewhere that I can globally change the Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" to iso-8859-1? I know I would then have to change all text files that are emailed (after figuring out which ones are emailed and which ones are simply includes.) I tried changing the selection in Defaults.py for English to iso-8859-1, but that did not do it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: "Lists" <lists(a)viplist.us>, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:08:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to change the template files > Lists wrote: > > >So instead of the ones being text to make them html? I have a client > >asking and I cannot find a way to do that. Ideas? > > > >Example, the verify.txt, subscribeack.txt, etc. into verify.html and > >subscribeack.html. They are processed them as and that is not what I > >want. > > > You would need to modify the source code to do this. > > Without modifying code, if you create a list or domain or even a site > modified template per the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9> and > name it verify.html or subscribeack.html, it will simply not be found > and the default template will be used. > > If you create an edited list or domain or site template named > verify.txt or subscribeack.txt and containing HTML, it will still be > sent in a plain text email message so will appear as the raw HTML, not > rendered. > > You would need to modify the code that uses the template to create a > message with MIME Content-Type: text/html, as well as creating the > HTML template. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >

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newlist command does not have the -o option
by Syn, Joonho July 8, 2010

July 8, 2010

I'm running version 2.1.9 installed via rpm on rhel5 and noticed that my newlist command does not have the -o or --ouput=[filename] option. I've seen this command used many times by people on the mailing list. Anyone know where it went and how I can get a newlist script with the -o option?

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Is there a way to change the template files
by Lists July 7, 2010

July 7, 2010

So instead of the ones being text to make them html? I have a client asking and I cannot find a way to do that. Ideas? Example, the verify.txt, subscribeack.txt, etc. into verify.html and subscribeack.html. They are processed them as and that is not what I want.

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admin address have to be a member?
by Adam Parker, OD July 7, 2010

July 7, 2010

does the admin address have to be a member? will the emails get moderated if it's not in the membership list? -- Adam

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many shunted messages
by geraud.guibert＠free.fr July 7, 2010

July 7, 2010

hello everyone, got many shunted messages in the mailman qfiles with most of them that indicate 'listname': 'list1' OR 'list2' ... 'listN', 'tolist': 1, 'whichq' /.../qfiles/archive as far as i understand it, doesn't this means that the corresponding mails are in error due to archiving process/mailqueue ?! on the other way, all the impacted lists are not eligible to archive (desactived) :-( isn't there any trouble in my situation ? or i must certainly have missed something ;-) sincerelly yours

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some users recive email but they can't send
by Daniel Hernandez July 6, 2010

July 6, 2010

Hello, I have a problem with a user of a list that I create. She receive all the list emails but she can't send emails. She recive this error response: Remote host said: 554 <chile-datos(a)mail.degu.cl>: Relay access denied I think that is strange because other users have no problems sending emails to the list. -- Regards, Daniel H.

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