Mailman 3 March 2006 - Mailman-i18n

Reposted: Another combined variable
by Clytie Siddall 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

(Reposted after unsucessful posting yesterday) On 07/03/2006, at 10:52 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > You can see > if digest: > digmode = _(' (Digest mode)') > else: > digmode = '' > just before the part you quoted. So, the sentence is > 'Welcome to the "list-real-name" mailing list (Digest mode)' > or > 'Welcome to the "list-real-name" mailing list' > > "Digest mode" is status of the subscriber. Another mode is called > "Regular" or "Non-digest". It doesn't mean the list is in digest > mode. > > Thankyou. So in the string: ___ po:606 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Deliverer.py:79 Original: ⌘0 Welcome to the \"%(realname)s\" mailing list%(digmode)s ___ I can separate the word "list" from list%(digmode)s? Or not? I don't know if I'm supposed to translate the word "list" or not, whether it's part of the variable, and thus not to be translated, or whether it's part of the translatable string. I would like to be able to translate this string as (in my language): "Welcome to using the mailing list \"%(realname)s\" %(digmode)s " because that is correct syntax for us, but I don't know if that is OK or not. from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Reposted: HTML or not HTML
by Clytie Siddall 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Hello again :) As I work my way through the Mailman messages.po file, I notice that many of the strings use HTML code, and I wonder if this is universal. Can I treat all the strings in that file as though they were HTML code? In other words, when I use something like a right arrow or angle bracket in any string, do I need to insert it as an entity, or are there strings which are not HTML? I am confused on that point, because some original strings contain entities for angle brackets, ___ po:715 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Gui/General.py:134 Original: ⌘0 The text will be treated as html except that\n newlines will be translated to - so you can use links,\n ___ while others use them without entities. ___ po:717 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Gui/General.py:143 Original: ⌘0 This text will be prepended to subject lines of messages \n posted to the list, to distinguish mailing list messages in in\n mailbox summaries. Brevity is premium here, it's ok to shorten\n long mailing list names to something more concise, as long as it\n still identifies the mailing list.\n You can also add a sequencial number by %%d substitution\n directive. eg.; [listname %%d] -> [listname 123]\n (listname %%05d) -> (listname 00123)\n ___ Thankyou for any help you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Reposted: Formatting question
by Clytie Siddall 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Hello everyone :) A lot of the strings in messages.po show tabbed or otherwise spaced formatting: ___ po:663 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Gui/ContentFilter.py:94 Original: ⌘0 Remove message attachments that don't have a matching\n content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter\n test. ___ Do we need to insert similar tabs or spaces to format our translation the same way? If so, what is the purpose of this formatting? Thankyou for your help with this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Re: [Mailman-i18n] greek lang - el
by Maria Avgoulea 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

WOW! Thanks for your welcome in greek and for your help/guidance... But let me re-ask my question regarding its not technical part. I would like to know if there is any particular tool or procedure in place for the translation or if I just open and edit the files. To explain my self: When the next version of mailman comes out i will have to "diff" the files to search for possible changes to update the transalation to the next version? This point is of interest to me as I already have translated the 2.1.4 mailman version and i could use any possible tool or mechanism there might be. Thanks in advance Maria Avgoulea Clytie Siddall wrote: > > On 08/03/2006, at 7:10 AM, Maria Avgoulea wrote: > >> I am interested in translating mailman to the greek language. > > > Kalos orisate Maria! :) > > (Welcome!) > >> >> Please tell me what are the procedures i should follow. > > > I've just started translating Mailman, myself, so I can pass on my > experience: > > 1. Download the Mailman tarball (.tar file): > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ > > (use the Download link at the top of the page). > > 2. Decompress the files. > > 3. The translatable files are in two locations: /messages and /templates > > (a) In /messages, create an /el directory, then create a sub- > directory, LC_MESSAGES, inside /el, so you have /messages/el/LC_MESSAGES > > Copy the messages.pot file into LC_MESSAGES. Renname it to > messages.po, and translate it (/messages/el/LC_MESSAGES/messages.po) > It's quite a long file, but you can examine the Mailman interface of > any mailing list (easier if you administer a mailing list), and ask > questions here. :) > > (b) There are, I think, 44 html templates in /templates. So > translating Mailman is not a quick job. It will take a while. I plan > to finish the interface (messages.po), then work on the templates bit > by bit, with my other projects. > > In the /templates directory, again create an /el directory, so you > have /templates/el > > Now, copy the contents of the /templates/en (English) directory into > your /templates/el directory. You don't need to rename any of these > files. Their location in the /el directory identifies them as Greek > translations. > > 4. Once you have completed all your translations (!! :D ), you can > build the application to test them, but that is for the future. > > Good luck with your translation, and please ask questions here. I am > probably encountering the same issues as you will, so I may be able > to help with simple things. There are much more experienced people > here who can help you with more complex issues. > > NOTE A: if you're not used to Python named variables, they look like > this: > > %(word)d — for a quantitative [number] value > > or > > %(word)s — for an otherwise descriptive value > > and you _don't_ change them in any way. Don't translate the word in > the brackets, however normal it may look. It must stay the same. You > can reposition this variable anywhere in your translation, as long as > you don't change it itself. > > NOTE B: I have encountered some Python named variables in messages.po > with words attached to them. I have found this difficult to > understand, and you can read my recent posts about them, and the > replies from list members. When I do understand them better, I will > try to explain them. Or you can explain them to me! :) > > Good luck! > > from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm > Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN > >

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HTML or not HTML?
by Clytie Siddall 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

Hello again :) As I work my way through the Mailman messages.po file, I notice that many of the strings use HTML code, and I wonder if this is universal. Can I treat all the strings in that file as though they were HTML code? In other words, when I use something like a right arrow or angle bracket in any string, do I need to insert it as an entity, or are there strings which are not HTML? I am confused on that point, because some original strings contain entities for angle brackets, ___ po:715 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Gui/General.py:134 Original: ⌘0 The text will be treated as html except that\n newlines will be translated to - so you can use links,\n ___ while others use them without entities. ___ po:717 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Gui/General.py:143 Original: ⌘0 This text will be prepended to subject lines of messages \n posted to the list, to distinguish mailing list messages in in\n mailbox summaries. Brevity is premium here, it's ok to shorten\n long mailing list names to something more concise, as long as it\n still identifies the mailing list.\n You can also add a sequencial number by %%d substitution\n directive. eg.; [listname %%d] -> [listname 123]\n (listname %%05d) -> (listname 00123)\n ___ Thankyou for any help you can offer on this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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greek lang - el
by Maria Avgoulea 07 Mar '06

07 Mar '06

Hello to all. I am interested in translating mailman to the greek language. Please tell me what are the procedures i should follow. Maria Avgoulea

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Help please with another combined variable
by Clytie Siddall 07 Mar '06

07 Mar '06

Hello again :) I'm not sure how to handle the translation of this string: ___ po:606 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Deliverer.py:79 Original: ⌘0 Welcome to the \"%(realname)s\" mailing list%(digmode)s ___ If the whole variable is "list%(digmode)s", which i can write as "% (digmode)slist" if necessary, I'm still unsure whatn to do, because "mailing list" is an entire term in my language. We actually translate it as "shared mailbox". So I can't separate the two words "mailing" and "list" in the translation. I have to translate them together, as one term. I had a look at the source code, to see if that would help: ___ msg = Message.UserNotification( self.GetMemberAdminEmail(name), self.GetRequestEmail(), _('Welcome to the "%(realname)s" mailing list%(digmode)s'), text, pluser) ___ but I'm afraid that doesn't make anything clearer to me. Does this string say: "Welcome to the [name] mailing list [in digest mode]" or "Welcome to the [name] mailing [list in digest mode]?" If it's the second, and I'm not allowed to translate the "list" part, I can't translate the string correctly. :( Thankyou for any help you can offer with this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Variable correct?
by Clytie Siddall 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Hello again :) In the file mailman.po, in this string: ___ po:68 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:268 Original: ⌘0 To visit the administrators configuration page for an\n unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with a '/' and\n the %(extra)slist name appended. If you have the proper authority,\n you can also <a href=\"%(creatorurl)s\">create a new mailing list</ a>.\n \n General list information can be found at ___ is the variable "%(extra)slist" correct, or should the word "list" be separate, with a space in between: "%(extra)s list" ? I haven't seen a Python-format variable like that before, so I thought I should check. The ones I have seen have been of the format "%(description)x", where x is a letter. Thankyou for any help with this. :) from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Another combined variable
by Clytie Siddall 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Hi guys :) Here's another of this variables combined with text: ___ po:436 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Cgi/options.py:863 Original: ⌘0 In order to change your membership option, you must\n first log in by giving your %(extra)smembership password in the section\n below. <snip> ___ This just won't work in my language. We write "(variable info) membership password" as "the password [of] membership [with] (variable info)", and there are plenty of other languages that do the same. The only way to avoid this type of error is to keep the variables separate. Then we can place them correctly in our translated string. from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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Persistently drunken archives
by Clytie Siddall 05 Mar '06

05 Mar '06

Hi everyone :) I am amused and somewhat puzzled by this string in mailman.po: ____ po:40 reference: ⑤ Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:297 Original: ⌘0 Reloading pickled archive state ____ Is it the archive, or the archiver who is pickled? Do they stay that way? :D If this word has some specific technical meaning, please explain. ;) (For those who haven't encountered this idiom yet, "pickled" in English means you're not only drunk, you also put in your best efforts to stay that way permanently! Not the reputation we want for a staid and respectable mailing list software. ;) ) (Or you're a gherkin. Take your pick. ;) ) I notice that this word is also used in the next string, so possibly gherkins are not involved? from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do) http://groups-beta.google.com/group/vi-VN

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